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#341 Posted : Monday, May 07, 2012 9:22:55 AM
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@kamundu..stones have a crushing strength of 5kn/mm2 and above.Concrete has strength of 15 to 25kn/mm2 depending on the mix ratio specified in the structural design.

Some quarry stones are weaker than others. Almost all machine cut stones are weak coz its expensive to cut hard stone with machines. Thats why we find machine cut stone in juja but not in the naivasha,nakuru region where the stone is harder.

The hard stones can replace concrete columns based on the architectural and structural design.
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#342 Posted : Monday, May 07, 2012 2:43:53 PM
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@a4architect,I built my house 4 years ago in Ngong area.In the haste to reduce costs,I used machine cut stones form Juja and I didnt use columns to support slab.The house is now four years old and it looks strong as ever.what are the consequences that I may encounter in future? what measures can I take to prevent structural weakness?someone advised me to plaster the entire exterior...is that feasable?
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#343 Posted : Monday, May 07, 2012 3:56:48 PM
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#344 Posted : Monday, May 07, 2012 4:09:24 PM
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I have noticed many old maisonettes don't have columns, the slab lalias the hard stone. Would that be cheaper than using columns and machine cut
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#345 Posted : Monday, May 07, 2012 4:21:29 PM
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@ Kamundu,

You are not alone- i did mine like so ten years ago and has not noted any structural defects. My structural engineer had done his the same way!
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#346 Posted : Monday, May 07, 2012 5:13:28 PM
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@gathige did you use hard stone or the machine cuts?
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#347 Posted : Monday, May 07, 2012 5:14:41 PM
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@patcho..you dont have to worry if 4 years later there are no signs of cracks. Chances are that you used very strong machine cut stone , you have not used heavy roofing e.g concrete tiles, you havnt used ceramic floor finishes e.t.c.
I have personally overseen g+3 buildings without columns . Structural engineers are important in pulling such stunts coz they ensure design is optimized.
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patcho
#348 Posted : Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:34:20 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@patcho..you dont have to worry if 4 years later there are no signs of cracks. Chances are that you used very strong machine cut stone , you have not used heavy roofing e.g concrete tiles, you havnt used ceramic floor finishes e.t.c.
I have personally overseen g+3 buildings without columns . Structural engineers are important in pulling such stunts coz they ensure design is optimized.



Thanks alot Sir...infact your comments are the exact one that my engineer considered.though I used ceramic tiles,my roofing is not tiled....
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#349 Posted : Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:37:22 PM
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@patcho..welcome
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#350 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2012 9:35:08 AM
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I must admit this is the place to find more on house construction and may furnishings,i got my answer verbally.
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#351 Posted : Wednesday, July 04, 2012 3:46:07 PM
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this has been the most educative thread for me on this forum! thanks all for sharing. am commencing a 290sqm maisoneitte in a months time and in the spirit of sharing will keep updating on progress.
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#352 Posted : Monday, July 09, 2012 9:18:05 AM
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Mo,

Also read previous threads especially from 2010 on wards you will learn a lot and Save CASH.
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#353 Posted : Monday, July 09, 2012 10:48:17 AM
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Just done the security/site store. i got mbaos from a previous site and paid a nominal price 5k for them but had to buy 30 mabatis. this is only a temporary structure so i was advised to buy reject mabati at 530 each for 2.5m for gauge 32 which i think is fair. construction labour costed 3500.
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#354 Posted : Monday, July 09, 2012 11:15:12 AM
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I would like to get someones experience on the foundation, i was alsmost giving up. Just finished with screeding (Layout) today one month after i had started. i expected this to have been completed in two weeks max. On the finance side the budget overshot by almost 50% (450k to 650k). but i will soldier on.
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#355 Posted : Monday, July 09, 2012 11:53:28 AM
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I must admit that this is the best post on construction, i was encouraged and started off my construction in early March, on my 1st break now having roofed the house. The experience is awesome! My foundation also took about a month, had to do columns and "suspend" the house since the area is black cotton, we went down 6-8 feet. I now need to do the fence but am worried i have to do columns once again this deep and suspend the wall, is there a cheaper and easier way of doing the stone perimeter wall? I would be glad to share my experience but don't know where to start.
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#356 Posted : Monday, July 09, 2012 12:14:41 PM
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Edyj wrote:
I would like to get someones experience on the foundation, i was alsmost giving up. Just finished with screeding (Layout) today one month after i had started. i expected this to have been completed in two weeks max. On the finance side the budget overshot by almost 50% (450k to 650k). but i will soldier on.



size of the house and soil type?, cotton, sloopy or low lying areas are allways expensive
Edyj
#357 Posted : Monday, July 09, 2012 3:36:26 PM
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african coloner wrote:
Edyj wrote:
I would like to get someones experience on the foundation, i was alsmost giving up. Just finished with screeding (Layout) today one month after i had started. i expected this to have been completed in two weeks max. On the finance side the budget overshot by almost 50% (450k to 650k). but i will soldier on.



size of the house and soil type?, cotton, sloopy or low lying areas are allways expensive


@African coloner. The soil is mixture of cotton soil and some other soil (not sure if its red soil) but it doesnt get sticky like cotton soil.the land slanting slightly, meaning on the upper side i did 3 courses, while on the lower side 7 courses. the size of the house is 130 sq metres, 3 bedroomed bungalow
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Odec
#358 Posted : Wednesday, July 11, 2012 7:47:10 AM
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Edyj wrote:
african coloner wrote:
Edyj wrote:
I would like to get someones experience on the foundation, i was alsmost giving up. Just finished with screeding (Layout) today one month after i had started. i expected this to have been completed in two weeks max. On the finance side the budget overshot by almost 50% (450k to 650k). but i will soldier on.



size of the house and soil type?, cotton, sloopy or low lying areas are allways expensive


@African coloner. The soil is mixture of cotton soil and some other soil (not sure if its red soil) but it doesnt get sticky like cotton soil.the land slanting slightly, meaning on the upper side i did 3 courses, while on the lower side 7 courses. the size of the house is 130 sq metres, 3 bedroomed bungalow


Edyj ensure they do the filling nice & proper,this cotton soil business is not encouraging,then the foundation stones are the hardest i used some that were lifted by two guys,coz rain water my sip between them straight in yr foundation and out huko nyuma considering the gravity.
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#359 Posted : Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:32:30 AM
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how long does it take to build a 1 storey 3 bedroomed house @ a4architect
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#360 Posted : Wednesday, August 22, 2012 5:40:30 PM
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Mo wrote:
this has been the most educative thread for me on this forum! thanks all for sharing. am commencing a 290sqm maisoneitte in a months time and in the spirit of sharing will keep updating on progress.



Have you sourced stones yet? i would like what the costings are like as well as transport costings.

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