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simonkabz
#51 Posted : Wednesday, July 04, 2012 3:12:44 PM
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Kibunjia said they were planning on using the same guys as peace ambassadors. I concur with him.
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TAZ
#52 Posted : Wednesday, July 04, 2012 3:15:36 PM
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maligumu wrote:
Is there no better strategy for national cohesion and intergration ?


http://www.standardmedia...2000060964&pageNo=1

I think we need the NCIC considering what we went through in 2007 but from what i have seen so far i do not think we have "moved on".
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Robinhood
#53 Posted : Wednesday, July 04, 2012 3:55:53 PM
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simonkabz wrote:
Kibunjia said they were planning on using the same guys as peace ambassadors. I concur with him.


Is this before or after serving sentence?
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Impunity
#54 Posted : Wednesday, July 04, 2012 3:59:34 PM
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Robinhood wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
Kibunjia said they were planning on using the same guys as peace ambassadors. I concur with him.


Is this before or after serving sentence?


After serving sentence, just like Ocampo will use the O-4 as an example by putting them behind bars!
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simonkabz
#55 Posted : Wednesday, July 04, 2012 4:23:15 PM
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Rehabilitating rather than punishing them, given their popularity. They would be of more use to the society singing PEACE rather than spending our hard earned cash in the cooler, I think. And given they have a name to protect, they would be more than willing to change their wicked ways.
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mkeiyd
#56 Posted : Wednesday, July 04, 2012 4:57:33 PM
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simonkabz wrote:
Rehabilitating rather than punishing them, given their popularity. They would be of more use to the society singing PEACE rather than spending our hard earned cash in the cooler, I think. And given they have a name to protect, they would be more than willing to change their wicked ways.

@simonkabz, They need to earn that by either apologizing/being remorseful or jail term.
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Robinhood
#57 Posted : Wednesday, July 04, 2012 5:47:14 PM
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mkeiyd wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
Rehabilitating rather than punishing them, given their popularity. They would be of more use to the society singing PEACE rather than spending our hard earned cash in the cooler, I think. And given they have a name to protect, they would be more than willing to change their wicked ways.

@simonkabz, They need to earn that by either apologizing/being remorseful or jail term.


This thinking is just crazy. We might as well try to rehabilitate the Ocampo 4, or the Bensouda 4
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chiaroscuro
#58 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2012 7:54:16 AM
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Impunity wrote:
Now I believe the Kikuyus sang hate speech!These are snippets from the songs:


KAMANDE:
Quote:
Stop chasing the wind Agwambo, go to
Icaweri and anoint Uhuru.
You thump your chest about Hague, is Hague
your mother’s? There is a curse from God.
Philistines who do not circumcise cannot lead
Israel. When Abraham stressed God, he was
told to go get cut, even you General of
Migingo, your knife is being sharpened.


MUIGAI:
Quote:
Question: What if you knew that Hague you
are being pushed there by an uncircumcised
man who wants to push you there and take
over your wife and all your wealth? A man
who can do anything to ensure you are in
problems.
Answer: There it is better to die. Things for a
man are not governed by an uncircumcised
man. I would kill him. Its better they increase
my charges.


DeMATHEW:
Quote:
Where are you (Peter Kenneth) from? If you
were one of us, you would be pained by the
people burnt in Kiambaa church. My brother
lost his property in Kisumu, how can you tell
us he (Raila) is our community’s friend.
Father (Jomo Kenyatta) I feel sad when I see
your son (Uhuru) being persecuted by men of
ill-will and a woman (Martha Karua) is
carrying their bags.


RINK:
http://www.ghafla.co.ke/...ikuyu-hate-speech-songs

Pray Pray Pray Pray



Going by these translations; I do not see any insults directed at any community, tribe or group of people. If there are insults, they are directed at ONE INDIVIDUAL known as Raila Amolo Odinga.

While that might constitute libel, it certainly doesn't qualify as "hate speech" as defined in the National Cohesion & Integration Act of 2008. [Read it here: RINK]

Is is very different from the alleged announcements made by KASS FM's Sang referring to a whole community as "madoadoa".

This is a sad day when three individuals make songs that MIGHT be insulting to a fourth individual and we start talking of one community [the Kikuyu] insulting another one [the Luo].

Shameful!
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chiaroscuro
#59 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2012 8:02:49 AM
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From the Act, hate speech is defined as:

Section 13.
(1) A person who-
(a) uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or displays any written material;
(b) publishes or distributes written material;
(c) presents or directs the performance the public performance of a play;
(d) distributes, shows or plays, a recording of visual images; or
(e) provides, produces or directs a programme; which is threatening, abusive or insulting or involves the use of threatening, abusive or insulting words or behavior commits an offence if such person intends thereby to stir up ethnic hatred, or having regard to all the circumstances, ethnic hatred is likely to be stirred up.

(2) Any person who commits an offence under this section shall be liable to a fine not exceeding one million shillings or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three years or to both.

(3) In this section, “ethnic hatred” means hatred against a group of persons defined by reference to colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origins.


The highlighted part is quite telling.
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alma
#60 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2012 8:14:57 AM
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@chirao

What is shameful is people like you.

You just couldn't stop mentioning the name Raila in your "shameful" diatribe could you?

We are not children here. Worse, some of us have children your age.

We know what that song was saying. We know what they were supposed to be interpreted as or were being interpreted us.

If you are so morally afronted, take yourself to the high court and picket for the rights of your 3 brethren. Even better go be their lawyer.

However, trying to say that "madoadoa" was bad, but "kihii" is ok is not only shameful, but silly and well beneath the dignity of a grown man like you who has managed to learn how to type.

Absolutely nonsensical.

Don't bother answering coz I think you are the kind of people I ignore just incase they infect me with lack of knowledge.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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