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landlords tax should be 10% not 30%
african coloner
#1 Posted : Monday, July 02, 2012 7:35:48 PM
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first in europe the person living in the house is the one who pays local authority tax not the landlord, which in turn provides services such as bins collection and sewage so if you live in rural areas where services are not provided you pay nothing or something small.
- second property investment requires expensive capital which qualifies for grace period as industries.
-third there is shortage of houses in kenya and we should encaurage investment to meet demand
-goverment should live within its mean and anything above should be for investment purpose only
-taxing should be graded, i mean tax 100k-200k at 10% and 200-500 at 20% as there is no point of taxing someone earning 10k with four mouths to feed
Ali Baba
#2 Posted : Monday, July 02, 2012 8:38:24 PM
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African coloner:well,there is nothing called 30% landlord's tax.Its tax on income earned as stipulated on Income Tax Act Cap 470.Please acquaint yourself with the act before you post something which does not make sense.
Ali Baba
#3 Posted : Monday, July 02, 2012 8:39:57 PM
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Better still,your landlord's can go to europe and build their houses there.
chiaroscuro
#4 Posted : Tuesday, July 03, 2012 9:01:12 AM
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@Ali Baba; This is a good illustration of what happens when people rely on media reports instead of going to authentic sources of information.

I don't know where the media got the 30% figure from, it was not in Githae's budget statement...

@African Coloner; Tax on rental income is not a new thing. It was there long before the Republic of Kenya was constituted. What Githae's announced was simply a streamlining of it's collection.

And by the way; the tax is collected on INCOME from rent; it is not tax on the RENT!!
King G
#5 Posted : Tuesday, July 03, 2012 12:39:19 PM
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chiaroscuro wrote:
@Ali Baba; This is a good illustration of what happens when people rely on media reports instead of going to authentic sources of information.

I don't know where the media got the 30% figure from, it was not in Githae's budget statement...

@African Coloner; Tax on rental income is not a new thing. It was there long before the Republic of Kenya was constituted. What Githae's announced was simply a streamlining of it's collection.

And by the way; the tax is collected on INCOME from rent; it is not tax on the RENT!!


But if you own the house as an individual and you rent ot out, according to the income tax act the rent amount is equal to income and is lumpsumped (if there is such a word)into your other earnings and tax using the graduated formula. That is why if is above the threashold of Kshs. 38,... then it is taxed at 30%

Thieves
King G
#6 Posted : Tuesday, July 03, 2012 12:42:58 PM
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Ali Baba wrote:
African coloner:well,there is nothing called 30% landlord's tax.Its tax on income earned as stipulated on Income Tax Act Cap 470.Please acquaint yourself with the act before you post something which does not make sense.


Walipe kodi
Thieves
GGK
#7 Posted : Tuesday, July 03, 2012 2:20:56 PM
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@African Coloner,
I think there is something wrong with your postulation. Why are you confusing rental income and service charge? There used to be "service charge" in Payslips till 1999 when LATF was conceived. Which means local authorities get 5% of national income [Ksh 4.2B for Nairobi in 12/13 FY] to provide the requisite services within their jurisdiction. [Don't forget local authorities also collect lots of money directly (KSh 10.6B for Nairobi)]

It is important you appreciate the taxation rationale.

If you invested in a company, the company is taxed corporate tax (I think 30%) and you the shareholder if you any divined you are also taxed.

Landlords cannot complain.

Shortage of houses is a non-issue. There is shortage of food around... does it mean we don't tax farmers [or restaurants]

GoK is just attempting to extend its means [and services also] rather than living within them. Next it will be those in the informal sector. In the end, Kenyans will see tax as a religious obligation (akin to tithe) and comply. The development you see in Europe is [was] funded by taxes the citizens of those countries paid to their government.

Off-course, we still have to push GoK to put our taxes to good use.



african coloner wrote:
first in europe the person living in the house is the one who pays local authority tax not the landlord, which in turn provides services such as bins collection and sewage so if you live in rural areas where services are not provided you pay nothing or something small.
- second property investment requires expensive capital which qualifies for grace period as industries.
-third there is shortage of houses in kenya and we should encaurage investment to meet demand
-goverment should live within its mean and anything above should be for investment purpose only
-taxing should be graded, i mean tax 100k-200k at 10% and 200-500 at 20% as there is no point of taxing someone earning 10k with four mouths to feed

"..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
Chaka
#8 Posted : Tuesday, July 03, 2012 3:37:50 PM
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If I was to use my savings and my pension lumpsome
to put up rental units, would it be fare to pay tax on the rental income before I recover the monies spent in putting up the units?
QW25091985
#9 Posted : Tuesday, July 03, 2012 3:48:33 PM
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I can see broke landlords all over the forum . Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly .
Who are refusing to pay taxes.
Ali Baba
#10 Posted : Tuesday, July 03, 2012 3:54:43 PM
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CHAKA:Yes,its a fair deal.You will be collecting rental income and you will still be owning the rental property.If you want to recover your investment lump sum---you can always sell.
gatoho
#11 Posted : Tuesday, July 03, 2012 4:38:52 PM
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Chaka wrote:
If I was to use my savings and my pension lumpsome
to put up rental units, would it be fare to pay tax on the rental income before I recover the monies spent in putting up the units?



You deduct your expenses before you get an income
Foresight..
banker01
#12 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2012 8:26:14 AM
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haha there are so many legal loop holes to use that i have been using for years, email me if you want advice.
african coloner
#13 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2012 1:25:31 PM
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banker01 wrote:
haha there are so many legal loop holes to use that i have been using for years, email me if you want advice.


give us your email incase we invest then we can know how to go about it
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