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Rank: User Joined: 1/24/2012 Posts: 1,675 Location: In Da Hood
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murchr wrote:QW25091985 wrote:Mastermind wrote:The last time i checked Ruto had Bsc (Botany and Zoology) and he was doing Msc. Or you're talking of which Ruto? Oh i didnt know . which version riverroad edition ?  The guy graduated his Msc in sept last year thats why he wanted to leave early to attend his graduation, he is now a PHD student wow .and the way i viewed this guy like unschooled. All these scandls are really screwing his name. Kibs i pray doesnt sign that bill into law untill its reverted back to its original state that made politicians sit square.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,703
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murchr wrote:QW25091985 wrote:Mastermind wrote:The last time i checked Ruto had Bsc (Botany and Zoology) and he was doing Msc. Or you're talking of which Ruto? Oh i didnt know . which version riverroad edition ? The guy graduated his Msc in sept last year thats why he wanted to leave early to attend his graduation, he is now a PHD student Ask someone from UON how this masters etc. are "earned". The fellow was "doing" his Msc. while he was the Minister for Higher Education. Need I say more? Don't speculate though. Talk to someone at UON. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,703
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Wonders never seize by the way. Ruto's Thesis is on "Enviromental matters" Mau forest comes to mind!!! He is carrying out the study in Saiwa Swamp in Western Kenya. I would have recommended Mau Forest!!! Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,703
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2010 Posts: 3,504 Location: Uganda
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Lolest! wrote:@qw, Samoei Ruto is a BSc holder from UoN. The Nation reports that he is now a doctoral student there. Ngilu is at St Paul University and is said to be very serious with her studies. I think this degree rule was poorly thought out and was probably passed by MPs keen to see their opponents locked out. A CPA(K) need not have a degree. An engineering or pharmacy diploma holder is competent to discuss matters in their field. Think of pilots too...the list is endless are you a politician? a degree is good in broadening the scope of thinking. it helps you think out of the box that professional courses box you in. that why many CPA (k)s are never satisfied with the professional courses only and often pursue BCom or Business adminstration. ask yourself why do many accountants job adverts come with 'MBA an added advantage' tag if CPAK was enough? watu wasome.y punda amecheka
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/31/2008 Posts: 7,081 Location: Kenya
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QW25091985 wrote:LOL ! so william ruto willnot run for presidency ? coz hana degree !
Na ngilu goes to which uni ? does she also use mwakenya and copy-paste technology coz you cannot make it through uni without it
Kumbe hawa wabunge hawaja soma !!! so shamefull.
Lakini nani mkama waititu with a post graduate degree in stone throwing ama sonko with a phd in swaganomics !
but remember they also change this bill to make it easier for defections and those who loose their seats to vie again . which is really defeating the purpose of the parties act !
Kibs should send it back to the wabunge to return the bill to the original state . this wabunge really need to be educated !
it disgust me the way they are so selfish with so much impunity Weee...Ruto has a degree from a Nairobi university...And a masters degree too...though he took 10 years to earn it. And he got his first degree when education was education...Kama mimi.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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MaichBlack wrote:murchr wrote:QW25091985 wrote:Mastermind wrote:The last time i checked Ruto had Bsc (Botany and Zoology) and he was doing Msc. Or you're talking of which Ruto? Oh i didnt know . which version riverroad edition ? The guy graduated his Msc in sept last year thats why he wanted to leave early to attend his graduation, he is now a PHD student Ask someone from UON how this masters etc. are "earned". The fellow was "doing" his Msc. while he was the Minister for Higher Education. Need I say more? Don't speculate though. Talk to someone at UON. Whatever the case, he has the required papers.. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,703
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Magigi wrote:Weee...Ruto has a degree from a Nairobi university...And a masters degree too...though he took 10 years to earn it. And he got his first degree when education was education...Kama mimi. The fellow was unable to finish his masters untill he became the minister for higher education... Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/31/2008 Posts: 7,081 Location: Kenya
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MaichBlack wrote:Magigi wrote:Weee...Ruto has a degree from a Nairobi university...And a masters degree too...though he took 10 years to earn it. And he got his first degree when education was education...Kama mimi. The fellow was unable to finish his masters untill he became the minister for higher education... ...One thing I respect that guy for...he is well schooled...other things notwithstanding...Hats off for the guy...Whether he completed (somebody said finish is not sound English) his masters when he was in the education ministry is neither here nor there...He proofed he could 'eat' books with his first degree
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/18/2008 Posts: 796
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QW25091985 wrote:Mastermind wrote:The last time i checked Ruto had Bsc (Botany and Zoology) and he was doing Msc. Or you're talking of which Ruto? Oh i didnt know . which version riverroad edition ? Eish boss.. Ruto is now pursuing a PhD
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,703
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Magigi wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Magigi wrote:Weee...Ruto has a degree from a Nairobi university...And a masters degree too...though he took 10 years to earn it. And he got his first degree when education was education...Kama mimi. The fellow was unable to finish his masters untill he became the minister for higher education... ...One thing I respect that guy for...he is well schooled...other things notwithstanding...Hats off for the guy... Whether he completed (somebody said finish is not sound English) his masters when he was in the education ministry is neither here nor there...He proofed he could 'eat' books with his first degree You really don't get the point. Do you? Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/2/2007 Posts: 536
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Don't think this rule is really necessary. A high school cert should be sufficient. I know many, smart enough to get into Ivy league schools who've instead opted NOT to go to school but instead do business and excel greatly. Going to university does not necessarily translate to grasping complex matters post graduation. Ask any employer. (Mwakenya, skiving lectures etc being contributing factors).
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/25/2009 Posts: 973
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tuvok wrote:Don't think this rule is really necessary. A high school cert should be sufficient. I know many, smart enough to get into Ivy league schools who've instead opted NOT to go to school but instead do business and excel greatly. Going to university does not necessarily translate to grasping complex matters post graduation. Ask any employer. (Mwakenya, skiving lectures etc being contributing factors).
I agree. They should find another way of vetting them,you can be knowledgeable but not competent or wise.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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guru267 wrote:
Ive actually completed my ACCAs and currently im pursuing my CFA but nothing compares to the allroundedness and extensive research that came with my Bsc.
I mean professional courses do not provide avenues to study diverse humanities, language, communications skills, community service, internships that some quality degrees provide..
200,000 graduates per year implies 0.5% of the Kenyan population.. If you compare this to the USA which has 1,750,000 graduates per year (0.5% of the population) i think we're doing ok...
@ guru267, I thought the 200,000 figure is the sum of graduates over the years. All graduates put together. The current systems allows the deep-pocketed to make it to elective positions. Why not have a rule to have the educated get such positions? We just can't have fools to run a country and expect brilliant ideas from them. There are exceptions of people without degrees but exemplary leaders, but all general rules have exceptions. General rule, watu wasome.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/13/2010 Posts: 869 Location: Nairobi
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rock wrote:tuvok wrote:Don't think this rule is really necessary. A high school cert should be sufficient. I know many, smart enough to get into Ivy league schools who've instead opted NOT to go to school but instead do business and excel greatly. Going to university does not necessarily translate to grasping complex matters post graduation. Ask any employer. (Mwakenya, skiving lectures etc being contributing factors).
I agree. They should find another way of vetting them,you can be knowledgeable but not competent or wise. I disagree.. There are also jobs where we think we can do better than those given but we do not have the qualifications they ask.. ....above all, to stand.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2010 Posts: 1,797 Location: Kenya
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perceptions can be misleading. I had the opportunity to seat across WR on a 14 hr flight and the guy was engrossed with a book most of the time. I found him to be reserved and knowledgeable contrary to the 'bargetuny' image kina @qw have of him  I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/25/2009 Posts: 973
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Ms Mkenya wrote:rock wrote:tuvok wrote:Don't think this rule is really necessary. A high school cert should be sufficient. I know many, smart enough to get into Ivy league schools who've instead opted NOT to go to school but instead do business and excel greatly. Going to university does not necessarily translate to grasping complex matters post graduation. Ask any employer. (Mwakenya, skiving lectures etc being contributing factors).
I agree. They should find another way of vetting them,you can be knowledgeable but not competent or wise. I disagree.. There are also jobs where we think we can do better than those given but we do not have the qualifications they ask.. ????
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,703
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rock wrote:Ms Mkenya wrote:rock wrote:tuvok wrote:Don't think this rule is really necessary. A high school cert should be sufficient. I know many, smart enough to get into Ivy league schools who've instead opted NOT to go to school but instead do business and excel greatly. Going to university does not necessarily translate to grasping complex matters post graduation. Ask any employer. (Mwakenya, skiving lectures etc being contributing factors).
I agree. They should find another way of vetting them,you can be knowledgeable but not competent or wise. I disagree.. There are also jobs where we think we can do better than those given but we do not have the qualifications they ask.. ???? @Ms Mkenya is telling you a very simple thing. Open any newspaper - or any other media - and go to the vacancies section. You will see Degree in XXX, q years experience, Post Graduate this and that etc. Some people might feel that despite their lack of such papers, given their "experience" and "in born" qualities they can do the said job. Only that no one can give it to them without the papers. Didn't this punks pass a bill last year only to run to funerals to tell people they didn't understand it and they want it brought back to parliament??? Ni masomo kidogo!!! Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 608 Location: Ruiru
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murchr wrote:GGK wrote:
Tom Mboya [High sch dropout]
Neither does very educated person make great leaders Like Robert Mugambe [6 university degrees]
Tom Mboya was educated at various Catholic mission schools. In 1942, he joined a Catholic Secondary School in Yala, in Nyanza province, St. Mary's School Yala. In 1946, he went to the Holy Ghost College (later Mang'u High School), where he passed well enough to proceed to do his Cambridge School Certificate. In 1948, Mboya joined the Royal Sanitary Institute's Medical Training School for Sanitary Inspectors at Nairobi, qualifying as an inspector in 1950. In 1955 he received a scholarship from Britain's Trades Union Congress to attend Ruskin College, Oxford, where he studied industrial management. Upon his graduation in 1956. And why is Mugabe not great? If you are historically honest, you'll know that Tom Mboya dropped out of Mang'u because of lack of fees. It will probably explain why Mugambe is "great" "..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 608 Location: Ruiru
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murchr wrote:GGK wrote:William Ruto has a BSc and MSc from UoN.
I tend to disagree on the requirement for a degree cert for one to be an MP. Makes absolutely no sense because the the National Assembly is representative house for making laws which are drafted by experts. Laws are generally easy to understand.
What happens when one community doesn't have someone [willing] with a degree to seek elective position?
Great leaders are not necessarily very educated. People Like
John Major [High Sch Dropout]
Jacob Zuma [Class 3 dropout]
Tom Mboya [High sch dropout]
Neither does very educated person make great leaders Like Robert Mugambe [6 university degrees] Tom Mboya was educated at various Catholic mission schools. In 1942, he joined a Catholic Secondary School in Yala, in Nyanza province, St. Mary's School Yala. In 1946, he went to the Holy Ghost College (later Mang'u High School), where he passed well enough to proceed to do his Cambridge School Certificate. In 1948, Mboya joined the Royal Sanitary Institute's Medical Training School for Sanitary Inspectors at Nairobi, qualifying as an inspector in 1950. In 1955 he received a scholarship from Britain's Trades Union Congress to attend Ruskin College, Oxford, where he studied industrial management. Upon his graduation in 1956. And why is Mugabe not great? Kindly check your history carefully and honestly Tom Mboya dropped out of Mangu because of lack of fees. He went on to do the things you are saying. http://africanhistory.ab...ieseast/p/bio_mboya.htm
The same history will determine Mugambes "Greatness" "..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
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