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Raila is next
kingfisher
#21 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2009 1:52:00 PM
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@Obi....ask Agra.....and agra is right....why talk talk talk for one year....the lady talks for a week and quits this coalition nonsense...RAO will sit there until a few months to 2012 and then start telling us how they were short changed and we should vote for him...bure kabisa yeye

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Obi 1 Kanobi
#22 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2009 1:54:00 PM
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@Prof.

Forget about Kalonzo,nobody expects anything from him,on the other hand RAO must place the country before himself and stay in the unhappy marriage until we have the systems in place.

If elections were to be called today,what do you think would happen. Who would organise everything,the coalition partners can't as they are completely unable to agree on anything.

So the sequence of events must be,a new constitution,with a clear system of governance,then immediate elections to rid the country off Kibaki,Muthaura,Muhoho,Gicheru & Co. And hopefully Amos Wako.


I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
Obi 1 Kanobi
#23 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2009 2:03:00 PM
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@ Kingfisher

And my point was why dont you sing in praise of your new action packed heroine. Why do you keep dragging RAO into this.

If you told us something positive about her we may make an effort to pay attention when she talks.


I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
VituVingiSana
#24 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2009 2:14:00 PM
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ka-loser has the right idea. He always looks out for number 1. himself. And kambas will overwhelmingly vote for ka-loser (as we saw in 2007).

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
kingfisher
#25 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2009 2:15:00 PM
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@Obi....who tells you RAO & ODM are the saints.....what is needed is a complete overhaul....replace all the old faces we are used to and who have nothing good for kawaida people...this RAO of yours does not fit that description....he is only good at using the kawaida people when HIS agenda cant go through.....did you here him cry like a baby obver the weekend??? Ati now he will come back to you and me for support....tell him to forget it....afanye kazi hapana piga ndomo na kulia kama mtoto!!!

If you have money that you expect to start using in five years,it now belongs in stocks.
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Njunge
#26 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2009 2:19:00 PM
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I like the way some dudes here go about defending their kinsmen.......with hear no evil,see no evil and talk no evil passion......or is it obssession...???


Guka wa bijuti...
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
B.Timer
#27 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2009 2:19:00 PM
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And compatriots keep deluding themselves that if Raila and/or ODM quit govt,then we go to elections.
What a case of wishful thinking.
Ignarance is surely bliss.

Re look at the accord,probably with the right specs this time.

B.timer
Dunia ni msongamano..
Obi 1 Kanobi
#28 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2009 2:52:00 PM
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I am not defending RAO,I am simply trying to point out that today is Karua's,

So lets keep our focus on her resignation and discuss or analyse it without dragging other people.

@Njung'e some people just give as much as they get,no retreat no surrender.


I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
Ngalaka
#29 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2009 3:08:00 PM
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@Vituvingi

What is it between you and Kambas.
I thought the same fate befell both Kibaki and Raila in their maiden jab at the presidency.

In both cases they were only supported by their home crowd.

1997 Kibaki was runners up while Raila had to content himself with the third position.
In 2007,Kalonzo had the magnanimity to concede defeat and happily took what was offered by the victor which is perfectly ok in democracy.

In 1997,Raila conned Kibaki into not accepting the results,and pushing for a re-run btn Moi and Kibaki,only for Raila to beat a spineless about turn and go to bed with the very Moi. Well democracy again,save of the earlier held position.

In any case,Kalonzo has been dismissed as a non entity in the political chess board,why bother with him then,or do you know otherwise.

I thought small and inconsequential players are to be ignored.
This is not about goal keeping for Kalonzo,far from it,but when mud is unnecessary thrown in the direction of a peace loving community like the kamba,one wonders what the motive might be.

Kalonzo is a politician whose national ambition may be realised or not,but that is his business,not Kambas.
They may choose to support him as that is their democratic right,but they never involve themselves in savage buffoonery for him or anybody else for that matter.

I guess,in the way Kalonzo carries himself around,he borrows heavily from the above Kamba attributes.
Come 2012,if Kenyans are so persuaded to give him the job,so be it,if not,Kenya will move on,as we all embrace whoever will have carried the day,as that is the spirit of democracy.
I bet you wont see any blood shed,for or on behalf of Kalonzo,for that would be truly a sad day.

Things arent always the way they look like
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Ngalaka
#30 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2009 3:20:00 PM
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@ Kanobi

Talk of the pot calling the kettle black!!
Ama ni nyani hasiyeona backside yake,hehehe.

Swear that you have not dragged the name other national politicians today in a similar thread elsewhere in Sk.

Not only did you drag,you shepishly sought to belittle Kalonzo Saitoti and Uhuru among others.
Anything to do with their perceived bettre perks compared to a certain other politician.

Hope not,for I bet you are not the likeliest person,that the said politician would be sharing the spoils with.

Next of kin?

Things arent always the way they look like
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
Obi 1 Kanobi
#31 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2009 3:58:00 PM
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@Ngalaka

Any references I have made to the other 3 co-wives of Karua (Saitoti,UK and Ka-loser) are relevant since her resignation impacts them directly.

So this pot will call the kettle black


I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
Brewer
#32 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2009 4:09:00 PM
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Obi,you cannot help but drag Kalonzo into this. Raila's complaints on the same day yesterday are along the same line with Karua's and so the question what he is going to do about it.

And some people withheld information from Kriegler- why keep harping on election rigging when you had all the opportunity to say it to him and may be he would have reached a different conclusion. There are people who genuinely believe ODM forced itself into government and i can bet Karua is one of them.
Obi 1 Kanobi
#33 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2009 4:18:00 PM
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Okay @ Ngalaka and Brewer

Fair enuf,you win,lets just all call it as we see it.


I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
VituVingiSana
#34 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2009 4:27:00 PM
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@ngalaka - I am pissed at ka-loser. Why? Coz he sold out Kenyans at large.

- Of course,he has the right to stand for elections. It is a democracy,however flawed. It was the 'spoiler role' that pissed me off. As for kambas,I shall quote a kamba buddy who said - to my shock & chagrin - that kambas will vote overwhelmingly for ka-loser coz he is a kamba.

As for the ethics of our politicians - including ka-loser - they leave a lot to be desired.

*** I have no 'motive' except that whereas RAO & kibz had 'national' support (including home turf advantage),ka-loser was a pure candidate of,for & by the kambas.

As for the savage buffoonery... I agree. That was WRONG and STUPID. What did the luos gain by burning parts of Kisumu? Or the kalenjins by destroying farms in RV? Or the fools in kibera who uprooted the railway lines?

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Mali
#35 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2009 4:34:00 PM
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Quick summary:

Top Kenyan 'gods'

1. Raila Odinga
2. Kalonzo Musyoka
3. Uhuru Kenyatta
4. George Saitoti
5. William Ruto
6. Mwai Kibaki

These 6 fellows LOVE power... tooth or toothless; bark or bite; they better die there than do anything that might have crossed your mind.... Quit/resign/Reform!!!

Truly Kenyan...... All the TIME!

if the incompetent and the reckless compete,the result is a disaster.. MN
tony stark
#36 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2009 4:37:00 PM
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Can we be objective. We all known tribe plays a role in the way we view our politics but do we have to


take sides purely on tribe
Zealously defend our tribal kinsmen on the basis of tribe only
Insult a whole tribe based on a small group of politicians that is not and can not be representative of the tribe

To the topic. Raila should not be next. Not due to lack of courage but if he steps away from the coalition he is going on the campaign trail,and PNU et al will follow suit. Do we want to campaign for 4 years. The tension ill be so high we will be at war before the end of the 1st year and by the 4 year,assuming kenya still survives we will at the point of no return.
PS: The next clashes will not be about tribes that is how they will start but they will end up being about class. I rue the day that happens.

Lets please show some civility to fellow kenyans. We can always agree to disagree in politics.

SK A.L.U.M.N.I (Alcoholic Liason and Undergarments Manager of Nakedness Internationally)
tony stark
#37 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2009 5:07:00 PM
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interesting blog post on tribalism in politics.
http://maishinski.blogsp...itics-tribalism-is.html


SK A.L.U.M.N.I (Alcoholic Liason and Undergarments Manager of Nakedness Internationally)
jaykay
#38 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2009 6:19:00 PM
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RAO is an opportunist,he quits,Ruto remains and RAO is reduced to a tribal chieftain.He'll wait until 2012 is nereby and quit a few months to the poll.He doesnt want to remain a ka small chieftain till 2012

JK
254.co.ke
#39 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2009 7:06:00 PM
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Raila quiting? That sound bad and good for the country. Good because it may usher a new era for kenya and bad coz the collapse of coalition might throw us back into turmoil. All the same,we cant have a PM complaining of mundane issues-of carpets n substandard dias. Pre-kilanguni he was on telly,tellin us why Muhoho shud be rewarded! Why the change of tune after Makwere 'rewarded' KAA boss? RAO just like MK and 'us-their-blind-supporters' is part of the problem. Let him walk the talk n not mere domo
VituVingiSana
#40 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2009 8:31:00 PM
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For all the good RAO has done,he has been flip-flopping of late. Where are his PRINCIPLES?
At least karua had PRINCIPLES... upende usipende...

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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