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Thika greens service charge
ekahindi
#1 Posted : Thursday, June 07, 2012 2:56:15 PM
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Hi wazuans,
i recieved an email this morning from Thika Greens and it talked about a fee of ksh 3000PM(ksh 36000)P.A service charge which apparently was introduced this January.The fee was deemed fit and adequate to maintain infrustructure,security,rent and common services.

I was therfore wondering,as owners and stakeholders of the piece of property,weren't we supposed to be consulted before such a decision was made and are we suppoosed to make such payments before our subleases are out.d'oh!

anyone with experience or knowledge??
Am
#2 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 1:38:14 PM
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That is Impunity, at its best.

Security for what? Undeveloped plot?
Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God..
ekahindi
#3 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 3:16:10 PM
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exactly.
Spitze
#4 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 8:43:22 PM
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Sell the plot before many Kenyans come to understand what a sublease means. A sublease is con.
ekahindi
#5 Posted : Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:10:13 AM
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how is a sublease a con.kindly explain
QW25091985
#6 Posted : Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:18:30 AM
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ekahindi wrote:
how is a sublease a con.kindly explain


i would also like to know ! I found it intresting.
Ndaragwa
#7 Posted : Saturday, June 09, 2012 8:54:14 PM
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ekahindi wrote:
exactly.


Can you read your sale agreement very carefully. Somewhere it will say that you are to pay service charge of 50% if construction of your house is not completed within a certain time frame of grant of sub-lease - check whether its 36 months. Also in your sale agreement, the amount of service charge will be clearly stated. You can Google to see the disadvantages of sublease, especially in Kenya.
Spitze
#8 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2012 8:29:35 PM
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QW25091985 wrote:
ekahindi wrote:
how is a sublease a con.kindly explain


i would also like to know ! I found it intresting.


The sublease expires before the main lease. For example your sublease may expire in 98 years 9 months while the Thika Greens lease (Thika Greens has subleased land to you) will expire after 99 years. So Thika Greens will throw you out before their lease expires, and then they apply to renew their lease. Well, you will have gone by then but your future generation will not have any chance of renewing the lease, they can only renew the sublease at terms of Thika Greens.
mnjoro
#9 Posted : Wednesday, June 13, 2012 10:09:26 AM
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Spitze wrote:
QW25091985 wrote:
ekahindi wrote:
how is a sublease a con.kindly explain


i would also like to know ! I found it intresting.


The sublease expires before the main lease. For example your sublease may expire in 98 years 9 months while the Thika Greens lease (Thika Greens has subleased land to you) will expire after 99 years. So Thika Greens will throw you out before their lease expires, and then they apply to renew their lease. Well, you will have gone by then but your future generation will not have any chance of renewing the lease, they can only renew the sublease at terms of Thika Greens.

As if these guys Thika Greens will still be surviving and incase they will how any African Businesses are surviving past first generation from what we are reading in the news nowdays?
I however do not support the lease fee though will take it up with the lawyer.
jaggernaut
#10 Posted : Wednesday, June 13, 2012 12:28:04 PM
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Why don't they just give the plot buyers their individual title deeds?
ruby
#11 Posted : Friday, June 15, 2012 3:27:22 PM
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I dont know about the thika green project but usually(if not in all cases) when a buyer gets into a controlled development, they get one share of the management company, when the lease expires, the title reverts back to the management company and it is renewed.
The reason why you dont get a title in such a project is because the moment you do, the shared amenities e.g roads become the responsibility of the council and ends up being run down&stops being a controlled development.
The biggest reason why controlled developments will not be successful is non payment of service charge by the buyers, look at the many city estates.
ekahindi
#12 Posted : Friday, June 15, 2012 5:21:05 PM
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ahhhh.now i get you.But the problem with service charges is they are imposed upon the stakeholders i.e(land owners)without them being involved in the decision making process.iebeing left out of the decision making process.I think a resident association should be formed which will sit down with the company managment and make critical decisions on behalf of all residents.
ruby
#13 Posted : Friday, June 15, 2012 5:56:56 PM
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Buyers get into projects at different times and bills must be paid. By the time the resident association is being formed, where will the money for paying the watchman come from? caretaker's salary,common area electricity bill etc. Getting into those kind of projects happens gradually, does that mean the 1st tenant should pay for all that before the 2nd one moves in?
Youd rather have a fixed charge with proper breakdown. When the management company comes on board and members feel its too much then it can be changed BUT if the service charge is incorporated in your sale agreement then that becomes tricky.
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