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President Musalia Mudavadi, VP Abdikadir Mohammed.
Lolest!
#61 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 12:05:37 PM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
nostoppingthis wrote:
What is the interest in MM by the Central politicians? and their followers

your obsession with 'central' is unhealthy.Shame on you

You remember 2007 and 2005? 'Central' was the main issue. You know the aftermath of that.


and what would be the aftermath come 2012/2013?something worse than 2007/08

I asked is the choice of MM by Central based on the fact that he can be controlled?by who?
@Lolest, Central holds sway in politics...and their people are distributed all over the country...they have a major voice...is this a problem?for who?
In the current situation, politicians have been split back into their tribal enclaves (whether through bribery or any other way)...and their lies the G7 strategy....what glue will hold G7 together? What issues are they addressing?sijui, but I have no idea what their main enemy stands for either! It is only MathaK (and maybe PK) who hasn't talked about an individual..but challenged issues...

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chiaroscuro
#62 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 12:30:32 PM
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alma wrote:
chiaroscuro very fun but no dice. I value my sleep and you won't catch me voting for the sake of it. lol ati spoil my vote...

@McReggae I'm all ears.

Lolest if I have to tell you the kind of leader I'm looking for then you will be voting my leader, not yours.

Please follow the leadership patterns apparent in the judiciary. You can trust them and even if they make mistakes you know they won't be doing it with malice but with the Kenyan people in mind.

Glady's Shollei has changed that judiciary. Mutunga has changed that judiciary. The guys from IEBC have changed the election system. Those are the leaders we need.

Show me those ones and I together with a lot of angry Kenyans will wake up and vote.

NOT your tribal and organised crime like cartel you are putting forward as leaders.


Unfortunately, those people that you admire have not shown any indication of desiring to be president of the republic of Kenya... and we can't force them to.

Still; I remember the mistake that Mudavadi made with Kisia - assuming that if a guy can manage a building, he can also run the city where that building stands.

By the same token, a guy that can run an institution will not necessarily succeed in running the government where that institution exists
alma
#63 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 12:35:53 PM
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please dont misquote me.

i didnt say them. i said leadership like that.

once you identify for me someone with those qualities, ill go vote even if im the only who votes for him.

Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
mkeiyd
#64 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 4:53:31 PM
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@Kusadikika, I disagree with you.
A leader leads. Simple. Leads from the front.
A leader doesn't waste time going round and round consulting.
What you are describing up there as a "leader" is a bandwagon politician.
Do you think Kibaki spent weeks consulting whether to look East for economic cooperation? Did the Wanjiku knew looking East would be good for them?

Do you think Mao spent weeks consulting on how to transform China?

A leader is supposed to be visionary in order to lead the "blind"[masses].
A bandwagon politician is no different from a blind trying to lead other blinds.

About the Chinese Deng,who of the Chinese leaders was not a member of the communist party? Hu Jintao? Zemin? Shangkun? Xiannian? China is a special case, you can't use them as basis to support anyone.

In order of rating the G7 members, i would rate Ruto and Uhuru higher than MM.

MM is like the good ,nice husband who never decides on anything,and whenever the wife complains about their deplorable state of living, the guy responds by saying " we decide and do everything together,why blame me?".

We have a constitution to guide the next leader. Let the next leader lead us.
Kusadikika
#65 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 5:31:33 PM
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mkeiyd wrote:
@Kusadikika, I disagree with you.
A leader leads. Simple. Leads from the front.
A leader doesn't waste time going round and round consulting.
What you are describing up there as a "leader" is a bandwagon politician.
Do you think Kibaki spent weeks consulting whether to look East for economic cooperation? Did the Wanjiku knew looking East would be good for them?

Do you think Mao spent weeks consulting on how to transform China?

A leader is supposed to be visionary in order to lead the "blind"[masses].
A bandwagon politician is no different from a blind trying to lead other blinds.

About the Chinese Deng,who of the Chinese leaders was not a member of the communist party? Hu Jintao? Zemin? Shangkun? Xiannian? China is a special case, you can't use them as basis to support anyone.

In order of rating the G7 members, i would rate Ruto and Uhuru higher than MM.

MM is like the good ,nice husband who never decides on anything,and whenever the wife complains about their deplorable state of living, the guy responds by saying " we decide and do everything together,why blame me?".

We have a constitution to guide the next leader. Let the next leader lead us.


@mkeiyd
I will have to agree with you up to a certain point but I will tell you why I disagree on this one issue. The leadership from the front is only possible in a certain context where the leader has the power to do so. To be honest with you I would not have chosen to vote for Musalia if we still had the all powerful presidency of the old constitution. In that constitution all arms of government were subordinate to the presidency and in that context a leadership from the front would probably have been more effective.

A presidency in the new constitution is a much more restricted playing field. Any action of the president can be thwarted by the now independent Judiciary and any of the other independent bodies in government. It is my argument that to be effective in this context a different kind of leadership will be required. All presidential appointments will have to be vetted so someone who can build cooperation with the Legislature will get more done. Soon anybody will be able to go to court if his rights are violated in any way by the actions of government so a leadership that will be able to build consensus on any action will be have less disruption and hence a greater chance of success. As much as you do not like the word, the president is and will have to be a politician although most of the politics, the negotiations the give and take will be done behind closed doors and not at public rallies.

A president in my opinion does not necessarily need to be visionary and the masses are not blind. There are now teams like the 2030 team that have already spelt out visions so all the president has to do is enable it to get done. People know what they want and in that sense they are not blind. An effective president is one who can communicate to them clearly where they are and what the government is doing to get there. To do this you need to hear them out.

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