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President Musalia Mudavadi, VP Abdikadir Mohammed.
McReggae
#41 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 9:52:58 AM
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Lucid_Iam wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Lucid_Iam wrote:
nostoppingthis wrote:
What is the interest in MM by the Central politicians? and their followers

To make sure RAO does not become president. In 07 much of the country united behind RAO to make sure Kibaki did not return to statehouse, same way, most white people will unite behind Romney to make sure BO goes back to Chicago. After all, you believe central always votes for one of its own, why the jitters.


Bring it on!!!!

You will be served smile


Yet you have not found the guy to serve me with.....bado mnayumbyumba!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
alma
#42 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 9:57:49 AM
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Ha! Ati if I don't vote I have no right to participate?

If you have 5 candidates and you only elect one, you have decided not to vote for the other 4.

You will have your reasons for not voting for the other 4.

I choose not to vote any of the five. And I will make noise about it.

That is democracy we chose. Otherwise you would have made voting mandatory in which case that is dictatorship.

So in the current list of presidential material, I choose to vote none.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
Lolest!
#43 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 10:02:48 AM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
What is the interest in MM by the Central politicians? and their followers

your obsession with 'central' is unhealthy.Shame on you

You remember 2007 and 2005? 'Central' was the main issue. You know the aftermath of that.
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Ngalaka
#44 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 10:12:32 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
nostoppingthis wrote:
What is the interest in MM by the Central politicians? and their followers

your obsession with 'central' is unhealthy.Shame on you

You remember 2007 and 2005? 'Central' was the main issue. You know the aftermath of that.



But that's what defines Raila&Railaism politics.

We all saw the fruits of that brand of politics.
That's why it's justified to unite to defeat the guy - the butcher of Kenya.
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
chiaroscuro
#45 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 10:26:18 AM
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alma wrote:
Ha! Ati if I don't vote I have no right to participate?

If you have 5 candidates and you only elect one, you have decided not to vote for the other 4.

You will have your reasons for not voting for the other 4.

I choose not to vote any of the five. And I will make noise about it.

That is democracy we chose. Otherwise you would have made voting mandatory in which case that is dictatorship.

So in the current list of presidential material, I choose to vote none.


You are truly a non-voter: you don'y even know that in Kenya, there is no provision for voting for more than one candidate in the same office!

It is you constitutional right to choose not to vote: we can't take that away from you. But once you make that choice, you immediately lose the right to participate in a discussion where people are assessing the candidates that they will vote for.

BTW: I will vote; and at present my preferred candidate is Mather Karua. I think she has the capacity to instill some discipline and a breath of fresh air in our public affairs.
alma
#46 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 10:35:06 AM
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chiaroscuro wrote:


It is you constitutional right to choose not to vote: we can't take that away from you. But once you make that choice, you immediately lose the right to participate in a discussion where people are assessing the candidates that they will vote for.


Please quote chapter and or law in Kenya that says this. That is just your opinion and has no legal or moral bearing.

We are the Kenyans who don't wish to participate in an election that everyone on this board knows is about

For Raila or Against Raila

That is what we call a sham election. Why participate in a lie?
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
chiaroscuro
#47 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 10:45:56 AM
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alma wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:


It is you constitutional right to choose not to vote: we can't take that away from you. But once you make that choice, you immediately lose the right to participate in a discussion where people are assessing the candidates that they will vote for.


Please quote chapter and or law in Kenya that says this. That is just your opinion and has no legal or moral bearing.

We are the Kenyans who don't wish to participate in an election that everyone on this board knows is about

For Raila or Against Raila

That is what we call a sham election. Why participate in a lie?


It's not a constitutional provision: it is just common sense!

But as we know, common sense is not very common!
Lolest!
#48 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 10:54:45 AM
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alma wrote:

That is democracy we chose. Otherwise you would have made voting mandatory in which case that is dictatorship.


Australia must be a dictatorship!

Is voting compulsory?
Yes, voting is compulsory for every Australian citizen aged 18 years or older. If you do not vote and do not have a valid and sufficient reason for failing to vote, a penalty is imposed. For further information see Compulsory Voting.

What happens if I do not vote?
Initially the Australian Electoral Commission will write to all apparent non-voters requesting that they either provide a reason for their failure to vote or pay a $20 penalty.

If, within 21 days, the apparent non-voter fails to reply, cannot provide a valid and sufficient reason or declines to pay the penalty, then prosecution proceedings may be instigated. If the matter is dealt with in court and the person is found guilty, he or she may be fined up to $50 plus court costs.
http://www.aec.gov.au/faqs/voting_australia.htm
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alma
#49 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 11:01:00 AM
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lets not quote Australia, it is not in the Kenyan constitution. So that argument is null and void.

Common sense dictates the following

I can't vote for Uhuru or Ruto coz of the Hague
I can't vote for Raila coz of 2007 upus
I can't vote for MM coz he's probably a project with no ideas of his own
I can't vote for Kalonzo I think that's obvious
I can't vote of PK coz he's still in the parliament that eats and he says jack about it.
I can't vote for Karua as she's full of double speak
I can't vote for any of the lot you have on that list

So forgive me if I pass on an election that is not issue based but still based on the age old Kenyan problem...Personalities with no ideas.

So get used to a large majority of Kenyans who will skip this one.

We shall watch you rave and rant about your heros while we all know in our hearts that they don't deserve to be a maid in your household.

I apoligise to all the maids in the country for even comparing them to these den of thieves.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
nostoppingthis
#50 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 11:16:11 AM
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Lucid_Iam wrote:
nostoppingthis wrote:
What is the interest in MM by the Central politicians? and their followers

To make sure RAO, the alternative, does not become president. In 07 much of the country united behind RAO to make sure Kibaki did not return to statehouse, same way, most white people will unite behind Romney to make sure BO goes back to Chicago. After all, you believe central always votes for one of its own, why the jitters.


@Lucid, take a chill pill...I have said severally, that I wait to see Central vote for someone not their own...currently, they haven't even chosen , some are with PK, others MathaK, others with UK...and your group with MM...as mention by @McDoba...where is the candidate?

Does this in anyway insinuate that RAO should not expect to win the election fairly? Should he be ready with a swing state? I doubt @Mutunga is ready kuapisha usiku...
Lolest!
#51 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 11:20:36 AM
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alma wrote:
lets not quote Australia, it is not in the Kenyan constitution. So that argument is null and void.
You didn't get it! Let it pass.

Common sense dictates the following

I can't vote for Uhuru or Ruto coz of the Hague
I can't vote for Raila coz of 2007 upus
I can't vote for MM coz he's probably a project with no ideas of his own
I can't vote for Kalonzo I think that's obvious
I can't vote of PK coz he's still in the parliament that eats and he says jack about it.
I can't vote for Karua as she's full of double speak
I can't vote for any of the lot you have on that list



I find your picky nature a bit puzzling.

What do you want in a leader? Please enumerate.

If we judge ourselves by the same standard we use on the politicians, Kenya would be a nation of saints.
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alma
#52 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 11:26:19 AM
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Laughing out loudly just because a law is legal in a white man's country doesn't make it right. Forcing people to vote is wrong and its not democratic. Whether white Australians have it in their laws or not.

Otherwise we'd all want gay marriages since white men in america have it in their laws.

I'm not looking for saints. But with all honesty. Why are you voting for someone you know in your heart has probably been involved in corrupting Kenya in one way or another.

Then a few weeks later you join the forum posts here and scream how bad they are...Get a hanky. You voted for them.

This lot is tainted and tainted big time.

So that's my principle...I won't wake up at 5am in the morning, line up for 6 hours and dip my finger in ugly ink to vote in someone I know is tainted. Just to show guys that I love kenya and can vote.

Sorry.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
Lolest!
#53 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 11:34:10 AM
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OK @alma, please tell us what you're looking for in a leader! Your list was not exhaustive. Why do you reject Kalonzo, Kiyiapi, Kamencu, Wamalwa?

The Australia thing was just a digression. Nothing serious.

Does the ordinary Kenyan abide by the same code he insists the politician must abide by?
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chiaroscuro
#54 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 11:38:12 AM
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alma wrote:
lets not quote Australia, it is not in the Kenyan constitution. So that argument is null and void.

Common sense dictates the following

I can't vote for Uhuru or Ruto coz of the Hague
I can't vote for Raila coz of 2007 upus
I can't vote for MM coz he's probably a project with no ideas of his own
I can't vote for Kalonzo I think that's obvious
I can't vote of PK coz he's still in the parliament that eats and he says jack about it.
I can't vote for Karua as she's full of double speak
I can't vote for any of the lot you have on that list

So forgive me if I pass on an election that is not issue based but still based on the age old Kenyan problem...Personalities with no ideas.

So get used to a large majority of Kenyans who will skip this one.

We shall watch you rave and rant about your heros while we all know in our hearts that they don't deserve to be a maid in your household.

I apoligise to all the maids in the country for even comparing them to these den of thieves.


If none of the candidates appeal to you, then go to the polling station and make that choice...by spoiling your ballot. Best way is to tick on all the candidates (if you leave it blank, some fellow might fill it for you - this is Kenya!)

But make sure you go out and vote - even if your choice is to spoil the ballot!

Come to think of it, there should be a choice of "None of the above" in the ballot. That way, we will be sure that the guy who gets 50% + 1 vote is truly the most popular... when we include those who rejected every one!
McReggae
#55 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 11:38:28 AM
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@alma,
In you I have seen a vote I can get for Raila, I know where to find you, I don't wanna lose this opportunity!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
chiaroscuro
#56 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 11:42:55 AM
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alma wrote:
Laughing out loudly just because a law is legal in a white man's country doesn't make it right. Forcing people to vote is wrong and its not democratic. Whether white Australians have it in their laws or not.

Otherwise we'd all want gay marriages since white men in america have it in their laws.

I'm not looking for saints. But with all honesty. Why are you voting for someone you know in your heart has probably been involved in corrupting Kenya in one way or another.

Then a few weeks later you join the forum posts here and scream how bad they are...Get a hanky. You voted for them.

This lot is tainted and tainted big time.

So that's my principle...I won't wake up at 5am in the morning, line up for 6 hours and dip my finger in ugly ink to vote in someone I know is tainted. Just to show guys that I love kenya and can vote.

Sorry.


Why do you see the colour of those people (Americans and Australians) before you see their ideas?

I suspect that you also see people's tribe before you hear what they have to say....
Lolest!
#57 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 11:43:42 AM
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McReggae wrote:
@alma,
In you I have seen a vote I can get for Raila, I know where to find you, I don't wanna lose this opportunity!!!!

Applause Applause @mcdoba, I like your zeal!!

But @alma's main reason of NOT voting for Raila is shared by many. Maybe Raila should deal with that reason.
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alma
#58 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 11:49:44 AM
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chiaroscuro very fun but no dice. I value my sleep and you won't catch me voting for the sake of it. lol ati spoil my vote...

@McReggae I'm all ears.

Lolest if I have to tell you the kind of leader I'm looking for then you will be voting my leader, not yours.

Please follow the leadership patterns apparent in the judiciary. You can trust them and even if they make mistakes you know they won't be doing it with malice but with the Kenyan people in mind.

Glady's Shollei has changed that judiciary. Mutunga has changed that judiciary. The guys from IEBC have changed the election system. Those are the leaders we need.

Show me those ones and I together with a lot of angry Kenyans will wake up and vote.

NOT your tribal and organised crime like cartel you are putting forward as leaders.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
nostoppingthis
#59 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 11:51:34 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
nostoppingthis wrote:
What is the interest in MM by the Central politicians? and their followers

your obsession with 'central' is unhealthy.Shame on you

You remember 2007 and 2005? 'Central' was the main issue. You know the aftermath of that.


and what would be the aftermath come 2012/2013?

I asked is the choice of MM by Central based on the fact that he can be controlled?
@Lolest, Central holds sway in politics...and their people are distributed all over the country...they have a major voice...
In the current situation, politicians have been split back into their tribal enclaves (whether through bribery or any other way)...and their lies the G7 strategy....what glue will hold G7 together? What issues are they addressing? It is only MathaK (and maybe PK) who hasn't talked about an individual..but challenged issues...
Lolest!
#60 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2012 11:57:35 AM
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nostoppingthis wrote:


@Lucid, take a chill pill...I have said severally, that I wait to see Central vote for someone not their own...currently, they haven't even chosen , some are with PK, others MathaK, others with UK...and your group with MM...as mention by @McDoba...where is the candidate?



Should Kenya burn again, we should not blame politicians. We should blame people who make such statements.

So now it's an issue of a candidate from your place waiting for a candidate from the mountainside?
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