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Rank: Member Joined: 11/24/2011 Posts: 833
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=+PK and RT The only leaders with differnce in my opinion are MK and JOK
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/8/2011 Posts: 482 Location: Nairobi
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MM is a 'project'.
Man cannot make any decisions. To defect, he had to consult. Asked about contraceptives, he says he cannot give an opinion, cause of the polotical campains. Aish, is this the one we want?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,718
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Manyala wrote:MM is a 'project'.
Man cannot make any decisions. To defect, he had to consult. Asked about contraceptives, he says he cannot give an opinion, cause of the polotical campains. Aish, is this the one we want? Yes!! For exactly that reason he is the one we should all want. I think one of the defining decisions of the next president is how he is going to deal with the issue of the new found oil. Would you like a president who would go to London and just sign contracts because he wants the oil to start flowing immediately or one who will say wait a minute let me hear what the Turkana who live around Ngamia One have to say? The president who will be most effective will have to be a softie, a negotiator, a listener, a consensus builder. As institutions like the Judiciary, Legislature, Police, County governments etc start to operate freely and assert themselves the kind of kifua mbele leadership that we all seem to like will be more disruptive than constructive.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/8/2011 Posts: 482 Location: Nairobi
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Kusadikika wrote:Manyala wrote:MM is a 'project'.
Man cannot make any decisions. To defect, he had to consult. Asked about contraceptives, he says he cannot give an opinion, cause of the polotical campains. Aish, is this the one we want? Yes!! For exactly that reason he is the one we should all want. I think one of the defining decisions of the next president is how he is going to deal with the issue of the new found oil. Would you like a president who would go to London and just sign contracts because he wants the oil to start flowing immediately or one who will say wait a minute let me hear what the Turkana who live around Ngamia One have to say? The president who will be most effective will have to be a softie, a negotiator, a listener, a consensus builder. As institutions like the Judiciary, Legislature, Police, County governments etc start to operate freely and assert themselves the kind of kifua mbele leadership that we all seem to like will be more disruptive than constructive. @Kusadikika, Okay, but shouldn't he have an idea of where to be taking us. Has to consult on each and every item. Who will direct the other?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Manyala wrote:Kusadikika wrote:Manyala wrote:MM is a 'project'.
Man cannot make any decisions. To defect, he had to consult. Asked about contraceptives, he says he cannot give an opinion, cause of the polotical campains. Aish, is this the one we want? Yes!! For exactly that reason he is the one we should all want. I think one of the defining decisions of the next president is how he is going to deal with the issue of the new found oil. Would you like a president who would go to London and just sign contracts because he wants the oil to start flowing immediately or one who will say wait a minute let me hear what the Turkana who live around Ngamia One have to say? The president who will be most effective will have to be a softie, a negotiator, a listener, a consensus builder. As institutions like the Judiciary, Legislature, Police, County governments etc start to operate freely and assert themselves the kind of kifua mbele leadership that we all seem to like will be more disruptive than constructive. @Kusadikika, Okay, but shouldn't he have an idea of where to be taking us. Has to consult on each and every item. Who will direct the other? Who said he doesn't have one....we need a leader who will go by the view of the majority, and who will consult widely before putting his signature on paper. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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@Kusadikika, that's a very spirited fight you've put in defense of your favourite candidate. Infact, from the day MM announced his bid, you have been consistent in his defence. Why? Are you in his campaign team?  I like that part in your analysis where you draw comparisons to other cases to prove that being a senior government official in a govt doesn't mean you can't be trusted with change and progress.  You forgot to add the Zambian case. When Frederick Chiluba's time to retire came, he endorsed Levy Mwanawasa to succeed him. Many expected Levy to be a puppet of Chiluba when he ascended to power but he turned against his political father and had him arraigned in court for corruption. Now is Musalia the change Kenya wants? Will he act against graft, negative ethnicity, lethargic systems etc? Is he too close to the boys who have dipped their hands into the cookie jar? I find this election very confusing yet exciting. We have a very wide variety of candidates-the new and the old alike. I have at times thought I have made a choice only to feel myself shift allegiances. This is why I must congratulate you for supporting your man. Others who are resolute and transparent about their support are Mcreggae(RAO), Kabz(PK), @ali(UK). Voter apathy will definitely set in when we do serious analysis of our candidates. They all have tu-spots. Madoadoa whose intensity will depend on whch side you support. I am scared of the impact of over-analysis. I believe it will take us back to 2007. We will end up asking ourselves ethnic questions of where these fellows were in 2007, what they said and what they did to better/aggravate the situation. Thus, a lakesider will avoid voting for that guy with a case at the ICC for Naivasha and Nakuru violence against their community. Likewise, the men from the mountainside(and ridges) will avoid voting for the guy with a case at the ICC for violence against their cousins in the rift. They will also vote against the leader of the movement that systematically carried out an ethnic hatred campaign against them for 2 years before the whole thing burst into flames after the elections. Where was MM between 05-08? For me anyone with as much as a whiff of 2007 chaos(political or criminal responsibility) should not be elected. We need ethnic cohesion more than war on graft! This is why I think we should avoid voting for the 2 leading candidates. They both represent an ethnic chauvinistic core support that they are not willing to disappoint when they get to power. Their supporters have to make reference to each other's tribes' negatives while discussing politics! This is what makes the Musalias of this world appealing. Not just their meekness but in the less chauvinistic nature of their supporters! But the good candidate might be elsewhere. In a small tribe, or not even backed by any tribe at all. Then we complain there are no good candidates!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2010 Posts: 2,221 Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
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Kusadikika wrote:
The president who will be most effective will have to be a softie, a negotiator, a listener, a consensus builder. As institutions like the Judiciary, Legislature, Police, County governments etc start to operate freely and assert themselves the kind of kifua mbele leadership that we all seem to like will be more disruptive than constructive.
@SufficientlyP
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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I'm one of those Kenyans who won't vote in what I see becoming a sham election. Projects abound and the only clarion call is Against Raila or For Raila. However, I have no intention of letting guys like Mudavadi get away with this upus about being a quiet Mr. Nice guy who will build consensus. He has been involved in 2 gov'ts at the highest levels that were basically horrible gov'ts. Even if you dress up a wolf as sheep it is still a wolf. Katikati politics have to end. If he's really serious, let him quit as deputy pm. After all, he's no longer in ODM. Any excuse you give to the above just shows that he has no principles. A man or woman who lacks principles cannot take Kenya to the next level. He will go hide in state house as he builds consensus and you will then be introduced to the REAL ORIGINAL General Kaguoya. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,718
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Manyala wrote:@Kusadikika,
Okay, but shouldn't he have an idea of where to be taking us. Has to consult on each and every item. Who will direct the other? I will argue that good ideas are neither very rare neither are they the monopoly of any of the aspiring presidential candidates. The core objectives of security for the citizens, equality under the law aka justice, education, healthcare and general maendeleo can be articulated by any of the candidates some better than others but I don't think it is rocket science about where we need to go. The Innovation guru Clayton Christensen famous for his book the Innovators Dilemma recently wrote in an article in the Havard Business Review: "There’s an important model in our class called the Tools of Cooperation, which basically says that being a visionary manager isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. It’s one thing to see into the foggy future with acuity and chart the course corrections that the company must make. But it’s quite another to persuade employees who might not see the changes ahead to line up and work cooperatively to take the company in that new direction. Knowing what tools to wield to elicit the needed cooperation is a critical managerial skill." (You can access the full article here. Excellent advice: http://hbr.org/2010/07/h...-measure-your-life/ar/1)No other president in Kenya before the one who we will have next ever needed to persuade others to cooperate with him because he had all the powers. The next one will only be effective only if he has the right tools of cooperation and that means consultations and facilitation and sometimes staying out of the way. To fight corruption all he probably has to do is switch off his phone as those being pursued by Tobiko and the Anti Corruption chief call for help from state house or just assure the chief of police that his officers have the law behind them when a court issues an arrest warrant for whichever Moi or Kenyatta or Shah or Patel that has been deemed to have broken the law. To specifically answer @Manyalas concern vision will probably be presented by Vision 2030 team, Corruption fighting will be provided by an effective Police force, Judiciary and Director of Public prosecution. The leadership required of the president in these areas will most likely be that of cheer leader and staying out of the way. We will have to elect a president from amongst the ones that we have. No clean angel from heaven without blemish will present himself. Having said that let us also see things in perspective and consider the times that Kenya has been through. For those who say that because Musalia was in the Moi Government and we should therefore associate him with all the ills of that regime or that he was in ODM during post election violence and therefore is tainted by all that transpired are simplifying complex matters. Almost all the options of leaders we have served under Moi and all of them were either in PNU or ODM during the last elections. But having said that I would like to put more emphasis on their qualities as people and leaders now rather than their history.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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By the way Kusadikika I hope all other political hirelings on wazua read what you have to say. You have supported your candidate with ease and reasoned arguments. In fact, if every other campaign hired you, I would vote. That sir/madam is what i hope political campaigns are all about. Having said that though, I would never vote for Musalia. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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@alma, i agree. If @kusadikika is not in UDF Secretariat he should consider joining them.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/30/2011 Posts: 483
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We all understand Kenyan politics, all you need is support of the 'tribal leaders' and you are home. MM is being groomed to be the next president of Kenya if indication of the last few weeks is anything to go by.
Alot was said about Kibaki and his indecisiveness and fence sitting nature, his other name was General Kiguoya, but his presidency has seen progress in Kenya like never before, he is not perfect but we can see positive reports. That said, for me MM fits the bill.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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alma wrote:I'm one of those Kenyans who won't vote in what I see becoming a sham election. Projects abound and the only clarion call is Against Raila or For Raila.
However, I have no intention of letting guys like Mudavadi get away with this upus about being a quiet Mr. Nice guy who will build consensus.
He has been involved in 2 gov'ts at the highest levels that were basically horrible gov'ts.
Even if you dress up a wolf as sheep it is still a wolf.
Katikati politics have to end. If he's really serious, let him quit as deputy pm. After all, he's no longer in ODM.
Any excuse you give to the above just shows that he has no principles. A man or woman who lacks principles cannot take Kenya to the next level.
He will go hide in state house as he builds consensus and you will then be introduced to the REAL ORIGINAL General Kaguoya. STOP! By making the highkighted statement, you have denied yourself the right to participate in this discussion. Everything you say is null and void. After all, you will not vote, so your opinion on candidates is worthless!!!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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What is the interest in MM by the Central politicians? and their followers
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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chiaroscuro wrote:rself the right to participate in this discussion.
Everything you say is null and void. After all, you will not vote, so your opinion on candidates is worthless!!! Thinking the same here......Bad leaders are voted in by good citizens who do not vote! Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/30/2011 Posts: 483
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nostoppingthis wrote:What is the interest in MM by the Central politicians? and their followers To make sure RAO, the alternative, does not become president. In 07 much of the country united behind RAO to make sure Kibaki did not return to statehouse, same way, most white people will unite behind Romney to make sure BO goes back to Chicago. After all, you believe central always votes for one of its own, why the jitters.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Lucid_Iam wrote:nostoppingthis wrote:What is the interest in MM by the Central politicians? and their followers To make sure RAO does not become president. In 07 much of the country united behind RAO to make sure Kibaki did not return to statehouse, same way, most white people will unite behind Romney to make sure BO goes back to Chicago. After all, you believe central always votes for one of its own, why the jitters. Bring it on!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/30/2011 Posts: 483
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McReggae wrote:Lucid_Iam wrote:nostoppingthis wrote:What is the interest in MM by the Central politicians? and their followers To make sure RAO does not become president. In 07 much of the country united behind RAO to make sure Kibaki did not return to statehouse, same way, most white people will unite behind Romney to make sure BO goes back to Chicago. After all, you believe central always votes for one of its own, why the jitters. Bring it on!!!! You will be served
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