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Double dip recession vs Great Depression
ChessMaster
#1 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:20:04 AM
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Am i too pessimistic or is the first global depression of the 21st century around the corner?
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Nabwire
#2 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2012 8:36:40 PM
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At this point anything is possible, but I highly doubt if a depression is coming. I think the EU will be dismantled, or atleast they will shed off the extra fat, so globally we will continue to be affected until that whole mess is sorted out. China's economy is also cooling off just like the BRICS. I'm overall bullish on the US economy
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#3 Posted : Friday, June 01, 2012 1:03:30 AM
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Comparison between the great depression and US now.The next link is a great read.Its a financial analysis of the US.Highlights:negative and growing cashflows,net worth is negative and deteriorating plus massive off-Balance sheet liabilitiesUSA Inc
Comparison between the great depression and europe now. Either way you look at it, EU and US are very close to exhausting their options especially with major defaults on the horizon. BRIC growth rates are a low and i don't think africa growth rates will help.
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Cde Monomotapa
#4 Posted : Friday, June 01, 2012 6:29:02 AM
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Lost Decade.
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#5 Posted : Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:23:38 AM
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I wonder who wrote the USA Inc article, sounds very alarmist, very Tea party-ish!!
Anyways the reason im bullish on the US is these guys came to the brink of financial armageddon in 08 and they rushed in to put checks and balances that ensured that they woudnt be in the same position again. US Corporations are sitting on huge sums of cash, they basically adopted a lean model and the feds instituted stress tests that they have to abide by. I was at the mall over the weekend and you could hardly walk coz there were so many people. I know the first reaction is Americans buy on credit, but that credit has a limit. Despite an economic downturn, the fact that people are shopping to me is an indicator that the economy is picking up. I remember in 08 the malls were empty. http://seekingalpha.com/...ank-of-america-is-a-buy
Basically they are prepared for the worst. But this is not to say that African stocks will not outperform US, I think the wise thing to do is diversify on both markets and hopefully buy when there is blood, if the Depression ever comes around.
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#6 Posted : Saturday, June 02, 2012 9:44:07 AM
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#7 Posted : Saturday, June 02, 2012 4:33:32 PM
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#8 Posted : Monday, October 08, 2012 3:06:03 PM
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IMF Chief Economist says crisis will last a decade.LOST DECADE!!! Seems the age of skills and value is finally starting.Its either that or another world war.
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#9 Posted : Monday, October 08, 2012 3:28:56 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
IMF Chief Economist says crisis will last a decade.LOST DECADE!!! Seems the age of skills and value is finally starting.Its either that or another world war.


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#10 Posted : Monday, October 08, 2012 3:39:02 PM
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StatMeister wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
IMF Chief Economist says crisis will last a decade.LOST DECADE!!! Seems the age of skills and value is finally starting.Its either that or another world war.


Sasa jameni just when i wanted to push Kismayu to the farthest corner of my mind Sad


And no, the next world war will be about water, not oil or religion or money or nukes
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#11 Posted : Monday, October 08, 2012 3:51:14 PM
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Sorry about that.I'm not wishing for it.Its just that when there's a global depression world war tends to follow. I think it will be for resources but at the top of the list was for energy...why water?
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#12 Posted : Monday, October 08, 2012 10:45:24 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
Sorry about that.I'm not wishing for it.Its just that when there's a global depression world war tends to follow. I think it will be for resources but at the top of the list was for energy...why water?


After the third world war, there will be no WORLD. Not when small countries like Pakistan have nuclear weapons, That you can be sure of.
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, October 09, 2012 7:49:02 AM
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ChessMaster wrote:
Sorry about that.I'm not wishing for it.Its just that when there's a global depression world war tends to follow. I think it will be for resources but at the top of the list was for energy...why water?


While US and Israel have issues with Iran 'Nukes', that can only result in a tri-partite war.

On the other hand, if Kenya wanted to divert Lake Victoria water to Natron or Magadi or somewhere, or maybe build very large dams, ofcourse the Northern countries would gang against Kenya, while upstream countries would support hoping to win a right to rivers starting in their territories.

As an example, if Kenya pushed for water rights, Rwanda, Burundi, Tanzania and Ethiopia would join on the Kenya side, Egypt and Sudan would be the antagonists, while Uganda and S. Sudan would initially be neutral before joining the Kenya side. In no time, the whole Maghreb would be supporting the North while Black Africa would be definitely South.

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#14 Posted : Tuesday, October 09, 2012 8:40:43 AM
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StatMeister wrote:
On the other hand, if Kenya wanted to divert Lake Victoria water to Natron or Magadi or somewhere, or maybe build very large dams, ofcourse the Northern countries would gang against Kenya, while upstream countries would support hoping to win a right to rivers starting in their territories


The geography here is all wrong.. Its Uganda that controls the flow of L. Vic and the Nile.. Not Kenya!
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, October 09, 2012 8:44:40 AM
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sparkly wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
Sorry about that.I'm not wishing for it.Its just that when there's a global depression world war tends to follow. I think it will be for resources but at the top of the list was for energy...why water?


After the third world war, there will be no WORLD. Not when small countries like Pakistan have nuclear weapons, That you can be sure of.

A certain mathematician made some calculations about two months back and concluded that there is NOT enough nuclear weapons to destroy the WHOLE world. He's called Kihanya (I forget the other name)
Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, October 09, 2012 9:13:34 AM
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guru267 wrote:
StatMeister wrote:
On the other hand, if Kenya wanted to divert Lake Victoria water to Natron or Magadi or somewhere, or maybe build very large dams, of course the Northern countries would gang against Kenya, while upstream countries would support hoping to win a right to rivers starting in their territories


The geography here is all wrong.. Its Uganda that controls the flow of L. Vic and the Nile.. Not Kenya!


Uganda has 95% of Victorian energy and water flow benefit, its the rest of us squeezed to a corner who can upset the arrangement.

Still this was an analogy. Rivers are often shared by numerous countries, e.g:
Nile (11), Niger (10), Congo (9), Rhine (9), Danube (8), Zambezi (8), Amazon (7), Mekong (6), Brahmaputra (5), Parana (5), Volta (5), Limpopo (4)

Africa is large while its countries are small, meaning rivers are shared by numerous countries. Most of these rivers have had major issues at some point. With African countries developing oil reserves and growing economies, they will have bigger voices to say what they have wanted to say for long.

Read these examples:
The Nile http://en.wikipedia.org/...itics_in_the_Nile_Basin
http://www.thememriblog....g_personal/en/27090.htm
http://www.telegraph.co....lonial-Nile-treaty.html

Danube http://en.wikipedia.org/...ion_of_the_Danube_River
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ChessMaster
#17 Posted : Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:43:52 PM
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For wars I can't really speculate all I know is there will always be wars. About nukes, they are usually threat deterrents not tactical weapons because if everyone deploys their nukes no one wins.
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ChessMaster
#18 Posted : Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:49:27 PM
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nabwire USA inc was written by Mary Meeker. She worked for Morgan Stanley and has been pushing and proving that investments in IT are viable. I find her work good and now she's on the forefront again pushing for investments in smartphone technologies and their applications.
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, October 09, 2012 2:36:37 PM
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StatMeister wrote:
guru267 wrote:
StatMeister wrote:
On the other hand, if Kenya wanted to divert Lake Victoria water to Natron or Magadi or somewhere, or maybe build very large dams, of course the Northern countries would gang against Kenya, while upstream countries would support hoping to win a right to rivers starting in their territories


The geography here is all wrong.. Its Uganda that controls the flow of L. Vic and the Nile.. Not Kenya!


Uganda has 95% of Victorian energy and water flow benefit, its the rest of us squeezed to a corner who can upset the arrangement.

Still this was an analogy. Rivers are often shared by numerous countries, e.g:
Nile (11), Niger (10), Congo (9), Rhine (9), Danube (8), Zambezi (8), Amazon (7), Mekong (6), Brahmaputra (5), Parana (5), Volta (5), Limpopo (4)

Africa is large while its countries are small, meaning rivers are shared by numerous countries. Most of these rivers have had major issues at some point. With African countries developing oil reserves and growing economies, they will have bigger voices to say what they have wanted to say for long.

Read these examples:
The Nile http://en.wikipedia.org/...itics_in_the_Nile_Basin
http://www.thememriblog....g_personal/en/27090.htm
http://www.telegraph.co....lonial-Nile-treaty.html

Danube http://en.wikipedia.org/...ion_of_the_Danube_River


The source of River Nile is Lake Victoria and the water springs from underground flowing North. So Kenya diverting the Nile is impossible, tho some rivers flow to that basin called Lake Victoria
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#20 Posted : Tuesday, October 09, 2012 2:55:59 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
For wars I can't really speculate all I know is there will always be wars. About nukes, they are usually threat deterrents not tactical weapons because if everyone deploys their nukes no one wins.


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