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hindi ni riu
#101 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:58:42 PM
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Kenya will move forward the moment we stop looking at where one comes from, but what he can do for Kenya. "Tribe" is a lot of BULL propagated by the same lot of politicians and unfortunately...some ignorant Kenyans.. Think about it...what has the president done for YOU as a person? What will whoever do for you PERSONALLY when they become president? Possibly NOTHING. But if you get a good guy, you'll probably have better or free healthcare, good roads,less scams etc. I enjoy getting to work and home early because of the good work done at Thika road; Not because Kibaki happens to be kikuyu as I do, but because it was a good policy, which is enjoyed by all 'tribes' who use the road. Its simply dumb and stupid to peg your hopes and advancement on the "tribe presidency" of one man/woman. The possibility of him putting bread on YOUR table is very slim, unlike pegging OUR advancement on one "competent president" whose possibility of putting bread on OUR table is very high. I know it seems naive, but anything else is dumb; Calling it as it is.

“Once the last tree is cut and the last river poisoned,you will find you cannot eat your money" Traditional saying.
itz
#102 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:48:16 PM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
@Taz, RAO is willing to step on toes (hence the status quo guys aren't on his side)...Any of those other guys are willing to accommodate each other (or remain silent on certain issues), so that they have the "numbers"...
These guys have ruled for this many years, and as people say "we were with Singapore in relation to development, but look at them now"...


@nonstop and all the other Rao supporters.I just wish that people would take time and truly analyze Kibaki's presidency from day 1 over the years till now and Raila's role in de-stabilizing the county mostly for political populism.
I hope all of you remember that Kibaki came in and he was very hot on fighting corruption in his early days.fast forward to 04 and 05 some people who you all know were working on bringing down the gvt because of the heat on corruption and raw ambition in the guise of reform and change.This forced Kibaki to relax or ease on the fight on corruption and seek support from Moi and some other corrupt fellows otherwise his gvt was going to toppled.From there on Kibaki had to rule smarter and try implement reform slowly to keep the country stable which is what he has done over the years.Now call it what you may but this is smart politics and a show of wisdom.On the other hand Raila as some have suggested he steps on peoples toes but at the expense of what i ask?He tried it in 1982 and you saw what Moi became after that,same thing in 04-05 but Kibaki is wiser,intelligent and smarter.In 2007 you all know who engineered the 41 against 1 campaign.How would you vote for a man who for his ambition goes against one tribe in order to try win elections?
Any country in the world was unstable and has tried radical surgery/change either failed or went into war.Real change takes times and Rao doesnt seem to have the intelligence to recognize that hence his actions in 82 and again in 2004.Rao is a polarising figure which is not good for the country at this time.Obama came in and did radical surgery with the new health care law and while at it squandered all his political capital.As a smart leader one has to focus on the things that people agree on first then slowly act on the controversial issues.
YesuWangu
#103 Posted : Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:25:18 AM
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Joined: 8/11/2010
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I am tired.
sparkly
#104 Posted : Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:44:24 AM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
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Location: Enk are Nyirobi
We have eaten Githeri and drunk Mursik for too long in this country. For godsake lets eat some fish, ingokho or muthokoi for a change. Balanced diet is necessary otherwise we will suffer from marasmus, kwashiokor and low libido. Come on meeeen!
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2012
#105 Posted : Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:49:03 AM
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Joined: 12/9/2009
Posts: 6,592
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sparkly wrote:
We have eaten Githeri and drunk Mursik for too long in this country. For godsake lets eat some fish, ingokho or muthokoi for a change.


I totally agree with you unfortunately majority decide meaning candidates have to really sell themselves well. Anyone can win an election as long as he/she is credible and touches peoples hearts. Look at Obama.

BBI will solve it
:)
mkeiyd
#106 Posted : Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:55:16 AM
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Joined: 3/26/2012
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itz wrote:
nostoppingthis wrote:
@Taz, RAO is willing to step on toes (hence the status quo guys aren't on his side)...Any of those other guys are willing to accommodate each other (or remain silent on certain issues), so that they have the "numbers"...
These guys have ruled for this many years, and as people say "we were with Singapore in relation to development, but look at them now"...


@nonstop and all the other Rao supporters.I just wish that people would take time and truly analyze Kibaki's presidency from day 1 over the years till now and Raila's role in de-stabilizing the county mostly for political populism.
I hope all of you remember that Kibaki came in and he was very hot on fighting corruption in his early days.fast forward to 04 and 05 some people who you all know were working on bringing down the gvt because of the heat on corruption and raw ambition in the guise of reform and change.This forced Kibaki to relax or ease on the fight on corruption and seek support from Moi and some other corrupt fellows otherwise his gvt was going to toppled.From there on Kibaki had to rule smarter and try implement reform slowly to keep the country stable which is what he has done over the years.Now call it what you may but this is smart politics and a show of wisdom.On the other hand Raila as some have suggested he steps on peoples toes but at the expense of what i ask?He tried it in 1982 and you saw what Moi became after that,same thing in 04-05 but Kibaki is wiser,intelligent and smarter.In 2007 you all know who engineered the 41 against 1 campaign.How would you vote for a man who for his ambition goes against one tribe in order to try win elections?
Any country in the world was unstable and has tried radical surgery/change either failed or went into war.Real change takes times and Rao doesnt seem to have the intelligence to recognize that hence his actions in 82 and again in 2004.Rao is a polarising figure which is not good for the country at this time.Obama came in and did radical surgery with the new health care law and while at it squandered all his political capital.As a smart leader one has to focus on the things that people agree on first then slowly act on the controversial issues.


@itz, What did RAO do in 2004/05?
How has Kibaki been keen on implementing reforms? Remember his unconstitutional appointments?
Is RAO insisting that Kibaki follow the law polarizing?
Kiraitu telling Githong'o to "go slow on these matters" is all RAO's fault?
Is Kibaki going to bed with the bad fellows and Mo1 for his political survival the way to go? President's interests over the nations'?
Saying "its RAO demolishing people's sweat/homes" for political is the way to go for you?
Is a politician supposed to worry about his/her survival and forget about the electorate?
I wonder why in TNA thread, the believers don't say things TNA, but they are scrambling for the cheap shots of RAO this RAO that.
Answer my questions and then talk some about TNA.
freiks
#107 Posted : Thursday, May 24, 2012 3:47:01 PM
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Joined: 6/8/2010
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mkeiyd wrote:
itz wrote:
nostoppingthis wrote:
@Taz, RAO is willing to step on toes (hence the status quo guys aren't on his side)...Any of those other guys are willing to accommodate each other (or remain silent on certain issues), so that they have the "numbers"...
These guys have ruled for this many years, and as people say "we were with Singapore in relation to development, but look at them now"...


@nonstop and all the other Rao supporters.I just wish that people would take time and truly analyze Kibaki's presidency from day 1 over the years till now and Raila's role in de-stabilizing the county mostly for political populism.
I hope all of you remember that Kibaki came in and he was very hot on fighting corruption in his early days.fast forward to 04 and 05 some people who you all know were working on bringing down the gvt because of the heat on corruption and raw ambition in the guise of reform and change.This forced Kibaki to relax or ease on the fight on corruption and seek support from Moi and some other corrupt fellows otherwise his gvt was going to toppled.From there on Kibaki had to rule smarter and try implement reform slowly to keep the country stable which is what he has done over the years.Now call it what you may but this is smart politics and a show of wisdom.On the other hand Raila as some have suggested he steps on peoples toes but at the expense of what i ask?He tried it in 1982 and you saw what Moi became after that,same thing in 04-05 but Kibaki is wiser,intelligent and smarter.In 2007 you all know who engineered the 41 against 1 campaign.How would you vote for a man who for his ambition goes against one tribe in order to try win elections?
Any country in the world was unstable and has tried radical surgery/change either failed or went into war.Real change takes times and Rao doesnt seem to have the intelligence to recognize that hence his actions in 82 and again in 2004.Rao is a polarising figure which is not good for the country at this time.Obama came in and did radical surgery with the new health care law and while at it squandered all his political capital.As a smart leader one has to focus on the things that people agree on first then slowly act on the controversial issues.


@itz, What did RAO do in 2004/05?
How has Kibaki been keen on implementing reforms? Remember his unconstitutional appointments?
Is RAO insisting that Kibaki follow the law polarizing?
Kiraitu telling Githong'o to "go slow on these matters" is all RAO's fault?
Is Kibaki going to bed with the bad fellows and Mo1 for his political survival the way to go? President's interests over the nations'?
Saying "its RAO demolishing people's sweat/homes" for political is the way to go for you?
Is a politician supposed to worry about his/her survival and forget about the electorate?
I wonder why in TNA thread, the believers don't say things TNA, but they are scrambling for the cheap shots of RAO this RAO that.
Answer my questions and then talk some about TNA.


I tend to believe this Githongo has costed Kenya too much. Read on the news that the warship that was in anglo leasing was cleared by parliament and coz githongo taxpayers are paying close to 1 billion extra
http://www.standardmedia...&story_title=Budget team approves Sh3.6b for Kenya Navy ship.
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Jus Blazin
#108 Posted : Friday, May 25, 2012 1:05:23 PM
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Still waiting to see @nostop, et al, show us what RAO has done in the seven years he's been in government, not including the Toro era. This is without reference to MK, UK.
Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
mkeiyd
#109 Posted : Friday, May 25, 2012 1:32:09 PM
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Jus Blazin wrote:
Still waiting to see @nostop, et al, show us what RAO has done in the seven years he's been in government, not including the Toro era. This is without reference to MK, UK.


@Jus Blazin, it's a TNA thread. Don't you think it would be more constructive on the TNA part to talk of anything TNA.
Jus Blazin
#110 Posted : Friday, May 25, 2012 1:54:07 PM
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mkeiyd wrote:
Jus Blazin wrote:
Still waiting to see @nostop, et al, show us what RAO has done in the seven years he's been in government, not including the Toro era. This is without reference to MK, UK.


@Jus Blazin, it's a TNA thread. Don't you think it would be more constructive on the TNA part to talk of anything TNA.

Haha, after all that talk about RAO, UK and MK, you have the audacity to say it's a TNA thread? Yes, I thought so too. So let me answer your TNA question, for I know you won't answer my RAO question.

Why UK? Yes, he has a case to answer at the ICC. But why him? Look at his recent record at the Ministry of Finance:
1. Oversaw economic growth from 1.3% to 5%.
2. Initiated the economic stimulus program.
3. Encouraged use of social media in budget making process and also open government where the public were able to get budget estimates before the reading.
4. Launched the Investor Compensation Fund; if brokerage firms collapse, there'll be a compensation for Wanjiku.
5. Initiated the Fund for Inclusion of Informal Sector where, which allows SMEs access to credit facilities.
6. Strengthened the audit capacity of Treasury on donor-funded projects that has resulted in publicity of misappropriation of donor funds.
7. Initiated cost cutting measures on the government expenditure with the directive of Passats over Mercs.

Etc.
I'm ready for a backlash. But in equal breath, someone tell me what RAO has done while in government, including being the PM. Objectively.
Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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