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WTF... 9.2B typo error!!!!
CLK
#81 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 12:24:00 PM
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Mainat
#82 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 12:34:00 PM
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Ok. Lets all be naive and believe everrything we read in newspapers and therefore assume it was a typo that increased the supplementary budget from Ksh16bn to 26bn.

What would our reaction have been if Equity was to call a preconference tomorrow and say that its 2008 Profit after tax was overstated by Ksh2bn and should have been Kshbn?

How did 5 PS and a fully fledged minister miss out 10bn out of 26bn?


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Mr.Tea
#83 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 12:45:00 PM
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So far the Finance minister has been cleared of any wrong-doing by parliament. Investigations by other agencies are still on so as to get to the bottom of this matter.

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#84 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 12:58:00 PM
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@CLK

My hat is off for you!

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FundamentAli
#85 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:04:00 PM
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@ Mainat

The extra amount sought by UK was correct. These guys altered the figures in the line items of the previously approved budget reducing them by Shs. 10B but forgot to adjust the total. The altered figures of 'previously approved budget' should say correctly total Shs. 388B. The unaltered previously approved budget items figures say total Shs 398B. The total of the 'altered previously approved budget' incorrectly reads Shs. 398B. So if the new Budget for the year is Shs 424B,the gova needs to spend Shs. 26B extra which was permission to spend was sought.

Btw,am still wondering why one would want to do such a thing.



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The General
#86 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:17:00 PM
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@ Fundamentali,maybe something to do with budgeting wishes that were shot down by MK?

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FundamentAli
#87 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:44:00 PM
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@ The General

These have nothing to do with the other general for LOL.

It is a question of tempering with what cannot be altered. UK and the PS' must have looked at the bottom figure and not gone through the 300 or so line items that make that figure. The approved budget figures were established last year in June.




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caesar
#88 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:07:00 PM
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On the other hand,for a country that is unpredictable as Kenya. How much should we allow as contigencies for political risks,Likeliness of drought,rising oil prices,FX fluctuations,Strikes and wasted productivity,loss of parastatals due to mass actions,corruption,Tourism revenues glitch,tax evasion,Tribunals and commissions,pandemics.

It is my opinion that Making Kenya's budget is like tunnel vision experience. Like walking in the dark touching to find light switches,and avoiding to bump into things.


Shak
#89 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:19:00 PM
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Wow,Jakoyo Midiwo is putting up a spirited defence for uk. How times have changed

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Obi 1 Kanobi
#90 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 3:32:00 PM
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@Ceaser

I agree with you that the kenyan budgeting process will have a lot of challanges,but whoever accepts to take on the responsibility should be serious enough to get the job done.

He does not have to go over the 300 lines as its put here,but what he has to do is have inplace systems that ensure that when there is a 9.2b typo,we should be told within 24 hours why/who is responsible.

So far UK has only come with the computer theory,unless he can come up with a live walking person I will continue to treat this as an attempted fraud. I will also assume that he is in on it.


I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
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caesar
#91 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:08:00 PM
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I agree Obi.

I have reasons to believe that if a hybrid budget were to be made for Kenya. may be only one person in Kenya can do it and not all those Finance ministers we have had.
Tusker Baridi
#92 Posted : Monday, May 25, 2009 8:40:00 PM
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Now I am convinced that this is a deliberate attempt to steal money from tax payers. Lets see what the imbecile and his bootlicking supporters have to say this time.
Fundaah
#93 Posted : Tuesday, May 26, 2009 6:13:00 AM
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Analysis of the resubmitted supplementary budget indicates the following serious points of concern which require further investigation as part of the Independent Forensic Audit. Note Points 1 &ndash; 6 involve Ksh 1,443,287,801,while point 7 and 8 address a figure totaling Ksh 10,763,446,275.

POINT NUMBER ONE:
In moving the 'corrected' supplementary estimates the Minister for Finance stated the following which cannot be true:

'Clause 2 of the Bill provides for the issuance from the Consolidated Fund of the sum of Kshs 26,251,311,790 and to appropriate the funds for various services and purposes during the financial year ending 30th June 2009.'

This cannot be true. If one adds up all revisions of supply taken directly from schedule 1 of the Supplementary Appropriations Bill 2009 then the figure in Clause 2 ought to be Ksh 26,087,512,713. In his speech to Parliament,the Minister overcasts the amount required for supply by Ksh 163,799,077. This amount is not tied to any approved budget line item and is therefore liable to be misapplied.

POINT NUMBER TWO:
In moving the 'corrected' supplementary estimates the Minister for Finance stated the following which also cannot be true:

'Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker,Sir,Clause 5 of the Bill seeks for a reduction of the sum of Kshs 27,329,210,300 of the supply granted for various services for the Financial Year ending 30th June,2009.'

This cannot be true. If one adds up all revisions of supply taken directly from schedule 1 of the Supplementary Appropriations Bill 2009 then the figure in Clause 5 ought to be Ksh 27,257,209,471. In his speech to Parliament,the Minister overcasts the amount actually being reduced for supply by Ksh 72,000,829. This amount is not tied to any approved budget line item and is therefore liable to be misapplied.

Additionally,there remain discrepancies in the manner in which the changes to Appropriations-in-Aid have been calculated by the Ministry of Finance and represented in the Supplementary Appropriation Bill 2009.

POINT NUMBER THREE:
The total amount as stated in the First Schedule of the Bill as representing Appropriations-in-Aid to be applied for Recurrent Expenditure is Ksh 4,628,325,694 whereas manual calculation of the vote by vote sub-totals of expected Appropriations-in-Aid would total Ksh 4,488,352,694. The difference is an inflation of expected income by Ksh 139,973,000 thereby freeing up this money for application as recurrent expenditure elsewhere since it is not tied to any budget line items in actual fact.

POINT NUMBER FOUR:
The total amount as stated in the Second Schedule of the Bill as representing Appropriations-in-Aid to be applied for Development Expenditure is Ksh 5,224,272,310 whereas manual calculation of the vote by vote sub-totals of expected Appropriations-in-Aid would be a much larger total Ksh 6,060,015,957. The difference is an inflation of expected income for Development by Ksh 835,743,647 thereby freeing up this money for application elsewhere since it is not tied to any budget line items in actual fact.

And these are not the only arithmetical errors. There are more in the supplementary estimates which the Minister for Finance managed to get passed by Parliament on 20th May 2009.

POINT NUMBER FIVE:
In the Supplementary Estimates (Yellow Book) the Net Total of Supplementary Recurrent Estimates are declared as Ksh 722,095,510 whereas using a calculator and manually entering the figures in the same document would add up to a total of Ksh 630,297,262. The difference of Ksh 91,798,248 is not the subject of any Explanatory Note and could be applied elsewhere without Parliament ever knowing.

POINT NUMBER SIX:
In the Supplementary Estimates (Yellow Book) the Net Total of Revised Appropriations-in-Aid applied to Recurrent Expenditure are declared as Ksh 894,624,951 whereas using a calculator and manually entering the figures in the same document would add up to a lesser total of Ksh 754,651,951. In effect,Parliament would be under the misapprehension that the Government would be able to achieve a higher income than was actually possible,and thereby unwittingly create the possibility of misapplying Ksh 139,973,000 without Parliament ever knowing.

POINT NUMBER SEVEN:
The Minister has made changes to the revised estimates without amending the Supplementary Appropriations Bill 2009 raising the prospect that Parliament has approved sums not detailed in any law,and creating a loophole for misapplication of public funds.

The Joint Committee states that 'it was observed from submissions from Treasury that the total amount of discrepancy was Ksh 10,763,446,275 and this was from 211 lines from 36 Ministries.' The effect of this discrepancy was to under-report prior Parliamentary approval of money by Ksh 10.763 billion. All these discrepancies were attributed by Treasury to error caused by either deliberate or innocent computer manipulation.

The Criminal Investigation Department according to press reports has commenced an investigation into the cause of the error.

Nevertheless the Minister for Finance was directed by the Joint Committee to resubmit a fresh version of the Supplementary Estimates and which corrected the erroneous figures in the Printed Estimates Column which had been revealed after Hon. Imanyara&rsquo;s intervention on 5th May 2009. The Minister reinstated the omitted figures in the Printed Estimates column but without amending the supplementary appropriations bill 2009 went ahead to also alter the revised estimates column in the resubmitted supplementary estimates to load the same amount across another 211 budget lines. He did this without informing Parliament and without indicating the same in any explanatory or other notes in the budget books he tabled and as a result parliament has given double approval of the said ksh 10.763 billion.

POINT NUMBER EIGHT:
At no point did the Treasury,or the Minister for Finance,admit either during or after the Joint Committee Report that there were other errors apart from the misrepresentation of the June 2008 approvals in one column of the Supplementary Estimates of 22nd April 2009 which was meant to tally the approved estimates as actually printed. As will be seen later,this is a critical point. No one expected that in making the necessary corrections,the revisions proposed in the discredited supplementary estimates tabled on 22nd April 2009 would themselves be subject to change. No one expected that the Treasury would seek to change what it had asked Parliament to approve between 22nd April and 20th May 2009.

http://blog.marsgroupkenya.org/?p=830

Are all the above typos?....



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