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Kibaki's Legacy
matata
#11 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2012 10:20:59 AM
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People will only notice ur good work when ur gone! Kibaki amejaribu from roads, to freedom of expression en so many other things. But in every human being there must be a small portion of failure. but Kudos coz 80% is good development to this country which is all we wanted! Kibaki u get my Plus!
quicksand
#12 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2012 10:26:04 AM
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2012 wrote:
I lived through Moi's time and having the kind of freedom we have now was unthinkable. You couldn't mention Moi's name in a pub leave alone corruption for fear of the dreaded special branch. If for nothing else I honour Kibaki for that.


True ....people say 'wachana na mzee apumzike', treat him like a sage and are quick to remind citizens of some 'prophetic-like' declaration he may have made before he retired or soon after,..the truth is Mr. Moi really screwed up this country, we may not have him tried, but we shouldn't forget it - I hope he sees the magnanimity of people like Mandela, Nyerere, DeKlerk - and regrets it all.
keraka
#13 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2012 10:31:00 AM
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chiaroscuro wrote:
[quote=dossy7]I will remeber him for trying n improving the road network in Kenya.
Will not forget that he has made tribalism even bigger in Kenya than it was before


Is there an empirical method of measuring the level tribalism?

What parameters does one use?

On a related note: there was an interesting feature on CNN AC360 yesterday on racism in kids in the USA... Read more at this RINK: http://ac360.blogs.cnn.c...ids-on-race/?hpt=ac_ac3[/quote]
Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you The most empirical method of measuring tribalism is when the policy organs of key parastatals in the energy,transportation,security and economic sectors are headed by his loyal tribesmen however qualified they are.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
chiaroscuro
#14 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2012 10:51:12 AM
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keraka wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
[quote=dossy7]I will remeber him for trying n improving the road network in Kenya.
Will not forget that he has made tribalism even bigger in Kenya than it was before


Is there an empirical method of measuring the level tribalism?

What parameters does one use?

On a related note: there was an interesting feature on CNN AC360 yesterday on racism in kids in the USA... Read more at this RINK: http://ac360.blogs.cnn.c...ids-on-race/?hpt=ac_ac3[/quote]
Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you The most empirical method of measuring tribalism is when the policy organs of key parastatals in the energy,transportation,security and economic sectors are headed by his loyal tribesmen however qualified they are.


So would you prefer these institutions be headed by less qualified, less loyal fellows from different tribes?
otienosmall
#15 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2012 11:33:47 AM
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chiaroscuro wrote:
[quote=dossy7]I will remeber him for trying n improving the road network in Kenya.
Will not forget that he has made tribalism even bigger in Kenya than it was before


Is there an empirical method of measuring the level tribalism?

What parameters does one use?

On a related note: there was an interesting feature on CNN AC360 yesterday on racism in kids in the USA... Read more at this RINK: http://ac360.blogs.cnn.c...ids-on-race/?hpt=ac_ac3[/quote]


Looking at things in another perspective, a proper measure of tribalism is neither here nor there; e.g. the government of a certain far east country was offering scholarships (on merit) to students from developing countries including Kenya…following a vigorous screening procedure, a number of successful candidates were awarded scholarships to pursue Masters and PhDs. Awardees from Kenya were; 60% Kiuks, 25% Luos and 15% others….. So would one say that the concerned foreign gov. was biased? How would you expect a Karamojong to be in that list while none applied? This example is unfortunately being replicated in very many other fields…..It is thus a mirage to expect tribal balance in the near future
2012
#16 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2012 12:11:40 PM
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quicksand wrote:
2012 wrote:
I lived through Moi's time and having the kind of freedom we have now was unthinkable. You couldn't mention Moi's name in a pub leave alone corruption for fear of the dreaded special branch. If for nothing else I honour Kibaki for that.


True ....people say 'wachana na mzee apumzike', treat him like a sage and are quick to remind citizens of some 'prophetic-like' declaration he may have made before he retired or soon after,..the truth is Mr. Moi really screwed up this country, we may not have him tried, but we shouldn't forget it - I hope he sees the magnanimity of people like Mandela, Nyerere, DeKlerk - and regrets it all.



The truth is, you will never please people. Expect to be criticized for the things that you do well and blamed for the things that don't go so well. All in all be true to yourself and history will treat you well.

BBI will solve it
:)
chiaroscuro
#17 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2012 12:42:54 PM
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otienosmall wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
[quote=dossy7]I will remeber him for trying n improving the road network in Kenya.
Will not forget that he has made tribalism even bigger in Kenya than it was before


Is there an empirical method of measuring the level tribalism?

What parameters does one use?

On a related note: there was an interesting feature on CNN AC360 yesterday on racism in kids in the USA... Read more at this RINK: http://ac360.blogs.cnn.c...ids-on-race/?hpt=ac_ac3[/quote]


Looking at things in another perspective, a proper measure of tribalism is neither here nor there; e.g. the government of a certain far east country was offering scholarships (on merit) to students from developing countries including Kenya…following a vigorous screening procedure, a number of successful candidates were awarded scholarships to pursue Masters and PhDs. Awardees from Kenya were; 60% Kiuks, 25% Luos and 15% others….. So would one say that the concerned foreign gov. was biased? How would you expect a Karamojong to be in that list while none applied? This example is unfortunately being replicated in very many other fields…..It is thus a mirage to expect tribal balance in the near future


This precisely the situation facing public universities. A university will open a campus in, say, Kisii County and then advertise the senior positions. In almost all cases, only Kisiis will apply for those positions and therefore the top management of the campus will be dominated by that tribe.

Then Mzalendo Kibunja accuses the universities of tribalism! You cannot force people to take positions they are not interested in.

I have seen this happening in three campuses of three different universities.
chiaroscuro
#18 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2012 12:55:49 PM
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Typical example is to be found here: http://www.seuco.ac.ke/i...mp;Itemid=9&lang=en

Out of 14 Chairmen of academic departments, 11 are Kamba
Out of 8 Directors of administrative sections, 6 are Kamba

You can't accuse the university of tribalism. Very few non-kambas will apply for jobs in a campus located deep in the heart of Ukambani - 48km from Kitui!
nostoppingthis
#19 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2012 1:11:11 PM
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Tribalist!!! he killed the 2002 spirit...and anyone who would have taken the job after Mo1 would have done a great job, whether Kibaki or anyone else.

We recognize him for being president when Frankiln Bett (ODM) made the roads...sadly expanding significantly roads leading to Central Kenya...
YesuWangu
#20 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2012 1:11:26 PM
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chiaroscuro wrote:
Typical example is to be found here: http://www.seuco.ac.ke/i...mp;Itemid=9&lang=en

Out of 14 Chairmen of academic departments, 11 are Kamba
Out of 8 Directors of administrative sections, 6 are Kamba

You can't accuse the university of tribalism. Very few non-kambas will apply for jobs in a campus located deep in the heart of Ukambani - 48km from Kitui!


That is one way to look at it. But I think it is not a mirage to achieve balance at some point eventually. What if we look at it this way:

If there are more public schools in turkana etc, (it should not be imagined they dont want to go, all the other communities were at that same stage some time back) then there will be more individuals needing to access institutions of learning.

then, eventually, maybe a campus will be established there. or there will be more turkanas available to compete for these specialised jobs that require higher qualifications.

The systematic and intentionally denying them opportunities from the moment they are born so that it is used as an excuse that they are not there to be considered on merit is evil.
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