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SAfcon Have done it. No more unlimited internet
QW25091985
#81 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2012 10:10:02 AM
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#82 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2012 1:09:26 PM
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D32 wrote:
If the speed was at a constant 512 Kbps (Kilobits per seconds), then it is impossible to download 35gb per day because the maximum downloads in 24 hrs with a constant 512 Kbps connection is 5.4 Gigabytes

512 Kilobits Per Second x 60 = 30720 Kilobits Per Min
30720 Kilobits Per Min x 60 = 1843200 Kilobits Per Hour
1843200 Kilobits Per Hour / 8 = 230400 Kilobytes per hour230400 Kilobytes per hour / 1024 = 225 Megabytes Per Hour
225 Megabytes Per Hour x 24 = 5400 Megabytes per 24 Hrs / 1000 = 5.4 Gigabytes

This would make sense if it was meant to be 35gb per week, because 35 / 5.4 will give 6.5, which is about 7 days, but if it was per day, then, the speeds would obviously have to be more than 512 kbps.

To do 35 Gb per day would mean that the speed would need to be at least 3319 Kbps or 3.2 Mbps - Being the networks average speed?

(35 Gb / 5.4 Gb) 512 Kbps= 3319 Kbps
3319 Kbps / 1024 = 3.2 Mega bits per seconds


@D32
Whats the logic behind this calculation in red? 1kilobit=1 Kilobyte? Pardon my ignorance.
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#83 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2012 2:01:45 PM
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Yesterday at the investor conference, Bob said sth to this effect... "Watch out in the coming few weeks for some exciting data offers!!!" Lets hope these offers would be worth the scrapping off the daily unlimited internet bundle.
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#84 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2012 2:25:08 PM
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Tebes wrote:
D32 wrote:
If the speed was at a constant 512 Kbps (Kilobits per seconds), then it is impossible to download 35gb per day because the maximum downloads in 24 hrs with a constant 512 Kbps connection is 5.4 Gigabytes

512 Kilobits Per Second x 60 = 30720 Kilobits Per Min
30720 Kilobits Per Min x 60 = 1843200 Kilobits Per Hour
1843200 Kilobits Per Hour / 8 = 230400 Kilobytes per hour230400 Kilobytes per hour / 1024 = 225 Megabytes Per Hour
225 Megabytes Per Hour x 24 = 5400 Megabytes per 24 Hrs / 1000 = 5.4 Gigabytes

This would make sense if it was meant to be 35gb per week, because 35 / 5.4 will give 6.5, which is about 7 days, but if it was per day, then, the speeds would obviously have to be more than 512 kbps.

To do 35 Gb per day would mean that the speed would need to be at least 3319 Kbps or 3.2 Mbps - Being the networks average speed?

(35 Gb / 5.4 Gb) 512 Kbps= 3319 Kbps
3319 Kbps / 1024 = 3.2 Mega bits per seconds


@D32
Whats the logic behind this calculation in red? 1kilobit=1 Kilobyte? Pardon my ignorance.


1 Kilobyte = 8 kilobits (1 byte = 8 bits)
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#85 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2012 4:00:27 PM
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Just came accross this. I have not read the responses but in my opinion this was a wrong move. I wonder how the Airtel unlimited internet works....thinking of moving there.
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#86 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2012 9:11:10 PM
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founds this funny

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#87 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:38:35 PM
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akowally wrote:
Just came accross this. I have not read the responses but in my opinion this was a wrong move. I wonder how the Airtel unlimited internet works....thinking of moving there.


Works the same way the late safaricom unlimited used to work, its capped to some maximum limit, I have been able to do around 300kB/s - I don't know the theoretical maximum, but I guess it should be around 512kB/s.

It's cheaper than what safaricom had
150 per day, 750 per week and 2,999 per month


akowally
#88 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 1:06:49 PM
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Thanks nakujua

That speed is good, Safcom ilikuwa slower than that. I am wondering if it is legal to unlock a modem i.e. I unlock the Safcom and use Airtel on it. If you unlock, do you end up getting the same speeds. Finally how much is the modem?
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#89 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 1:34:00 PM
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I was used to Safaricom unlimited @2999, but have now switched to the 4GB bundle at 2499. I want to say that there is a positive side since am now getting higher speeds at 2mbps compared to 0.5mbps when I was on unlimited. I can now stream youtube videos (without them 'buffering') unlike when I was on unlimited.
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#90 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 1:36:53 PM
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Interesting for a ceo/company to blame its lack of making profit 'on clients'- Just saying
QW25091985
#91 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 2:03:05 PM
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jaggernaut wrote:
I was used to Safaricom unlimited @2999, but have now switched to the 4GB bundle at 2499. I want to say that there is a positive side since am now getting higher speeds at 2mbps compared to 0.5mbps when I was on unlimited. I can now stream youtube videos (without them 'buffering') unlike when I was on unlimited.



hahahahaha. Streaming videos using internet bundles ? I ask are you nuts ? Is it even practical
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#92 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 2:25:41 PM
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QW25091985 wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
I was used to Safaricom unlimited @2999, but have now switched to the 4GB bundle at 2499. I want to say that there is a positive side since am now getting higher speeds at 2mbps compared to 0.5mbps when I was on unlimited. I can now stream youtube videos (without them 'buffering') unlike when I was on unlimited.



hahahahaha. Streaming videos using internet bundles ? I ask are you nuts ? Is it even practical


Of course the 4gb isn't meant for videos but was just showing that the speeds are high and reach 'streaming speeds'. Though with the bundle i still watch the occasional youtube video. 4gb translates to about 135mb per day. When on unlimited I was doing something like 600mb per day.
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#93 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 3:30:49 PM
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jaggernaut wrote:
QW25091985 wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
I was used to Safaricom unlimited @2999, but have now switched to the 4GB bundle at 2499. I want to say that there is a positive side since am now getting higher speeds at 2mbps compared to 0.5mbps when I was on unlimited. I can now stream youtube videos (without them 'buffering') unlike when I was on unlimited.



hahahahaha. Streaming videos using internet bundles ? I ask are you nuts ? Is it even practical


Of course the 4gb isn't meant for videos but was just showing that the speeds are high and reach 'streaming speeds'. Though with the bundle i still watch the occasional youtube video. 4gb translates to about 135mb per day. When on unlimited I was doing something like 600mb per day.


fixed data bundles are ideal for use on the phone, I don't know what data needs on a phone would push one to use 4gb in a month.
on the other hand, if you are using a modem then the data bundles ni hasara - most sites have streaming content that will maliza your data asap, esp with the high speeds that come with the bundles.
try making a skype call on the bundles and you will regret.
nakujua
#94 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 3:44:49 PM
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akowally wrote:
Thanks nakujua

That speed is good, Safcom ilikuwa slower than that. I am wondering if it is legal to unlock a modem i.e. I unlock the Safcom and use Airtel on it. If you unlock, do you end up getting the same speeds. Finally how much is the modem?

I am not sure on the legality of unlocking modems within the kenyan legal structure, I know its illegal in some countries.
Apart from orange which seems to have issues when their sim cards are used in different modems, airtel and safaricom seem to have no problems when used on the opposing unlocked modems - so yes if you unlock the safaricom modem and use airtel on it you wont get any speed issues related to the modem.
you will get the 7mbps moden for around 2000, not sure of the current price.
jaggernaut
#95 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:36:00 PM
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nakujua wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
QW25091985 wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
I was used to Safaricom unlimited @2999, but have now switched to the 4GB bundle at 2499. I want to say that there is a positive side since am now getting higher speeds at 2mbps compared to 0.5mbps when I was on unlimited. I can now stream youtube videos (without them 'buffering') unlike when I was on unlimited.



hahahahaha. Streaming videos using internet bundles ? I ask are you nuts ? Is it even practical


Of course the 4gb isn't meant for videos but was just showing that the speeds are high and reach 'streaming speeds'. Though with the bundle i still watch the occasional youtube video. 4gb translates to about 135mb per day. When on unlimited I was doing something like 600mb per day.


fixed data bundles are ideal for use on the phone, I don't know what data needs on a phone would push one to use 4gb in a month.
on the other hand, if you are using a modem then the data bundles ni hasara - most sites have streaming content that will maliza your data asap, esp with the high speeds that come with the bundles.
try making a skype call on the bundles and you will regret.


I use a modem.
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#96 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:46:52 PM
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dnn wrote:

Interesting for a ceo/company to blame its lack of making profit 'on clients'- Just saying

Thats what am talking about!!! u'v framed it better
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akowally
#97 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 11:01:17 PM
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@Nakujua

Thanks for the response.

All people who I've asked seem to believe there's nothing illegal with unlocking modems in Kenya since it has become personal property. I'll make my decision soon though as I look for the Airtel modem.

I am so used to unlimited bundles, using up to 1GB or more per day. This limited thing is choking me.

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#98 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 11:49:42 PM
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akowally wrote:
@Nakujua

Thanks for the response.

All people who I've asked seem to believe there's nothing illegal with unlocking modems in Kenya since it has become personal property. I'll make my decision soon though as I look for the Airtel modem.

I am so used to unlimited bundles, using up to 1GB or more per day. This limited thing is choking me.



So far in kenya av not heard anyone facing charges for using unlocked modem
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D32
#99 Posted : Sunday, May 13, 2012 1:26:46 AM
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Alfylavie wrote:
Quote:
“It is possible to bypass the limitations. People took advantage of the network to download massive amounts of data,” said technology commentator Kennedy Kachwanya.


Quote:
Unlimited bundles had been popular internationally until recently when a series of firms abandoned them amid legal suits.


Quote:

“It is possible to bypass the limitations" Whats the problem if we bypass 35gb or whatever.. Has the word Unlimited lost its meaning? if there is limit or we r not allowed to download beyond 35gb then DONT CALL IT UNLIMITED
Am waiting for their announcement 2morro


Before the official speeds for the unlimited internet was dropped to 128 Kbps, it used to be 512 Kbps.

While the speed was at 512, the maximum amount that could be downloaded in 24 hrs was 5.4 Gb.

If the speed was at a constant 512 Kbps, you simply could not download more than 5.4 Gb in 24 hrs because you were limited by the speed.

Because it was unlimited internet, the speed limit at which you download data only defined the rate at which you could download the data, Should you have wanted to download more than 5.4 Gb, you would simply have proceeded downloading through the second day and so on, because it was unlimited data, at 512 Kbps.

Unlimited internet is when there are no limits on the amount of data that you can download at X speed. It is not unlimited internet, if there is a limit on the amount of data that you can download at X speed.

Since there were no caps or limits on the amount that people could download, then, it was truly unlimited internet.

It has been said that individuals were downloading 35 Gb per day, so the question was how was it possible for people do download 35 Gb per day, on the unlimited bundle? While the official speed on the unlimited bundle was at 512 Kbps?

The calculations showed why 35 Gb per day was not possible on a 512 Kbps connection, and what it would take to be able to download 35 Gb per day.

- 5.4 Gb per day was possible at the speed of 512 Kbps
- 35 Gb per day was only possible if the speed was increased to 3319 Kbps, which is equivalent to 3.2 Mega bits per second.

So how was it possible to download 35 Gb per day while the official speed was 512 Kbps? The article revealed it.

“It is possible to bypass the limitations. People took advantage of the network to download massive amounts of data,”

Individuals "bypassed the limitations" (the limitations being the speed limit that was set to 512 Kbps then later dropped to 128 Kbps) to "download massive amounts of data" (which it is said to be be 35 Gb per day).

The calculations showed that it would take at least 3319 Kbps or 3.2 Mega bits per second to be able to download 35 Gb per day, and this is the speed at which these individuals were connected at - while unlimited.

After bypassing the limit, they "took advantage of the network", so the speed that the network could handle per person, was not less than what was needed to download 35 Gb per day, hence the question - "Being the networks average speed?"

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#100 Posted : Sunday, May 13, 2012 2:06:29 AM
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akowally wrote:
Just came accross this. I have not read the responses but in my opinion this was a wrong move. I wonder how the Airtel unlimited internet works....thinking of moving there.


I just tried airtel unlimited for the first time, it works well if it is not on edge. I have not downloaded big files, just small pdf's, not bigger than 8 Mb. I have noticed that in many occasions, the network drops to edge, but if it is on HSDPA or WCDMA you can get just over 1 Mbps, while sometimes it stays between 300 and 500 Kbps, sometimes slower, I do not know what we are supposed to expect from it, it’s just fluctuating.

To get out of edge, I’d have to disconnect, sometimes completely, then reconnect.

I think that it can go faster if not on the unlimited.

Need others who are on Airtel's unlimited to share their experience, more especially relating to the connection dropping to edge, so that we can know if it is a general or an isolated problem.
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