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6 storey building collapses in Westlands
jaggernaut
#1 Posted : Tuesday, May 08, 2012 2:45:24 PM
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Seems like these problems have spread to the west of the city. The loss should be hundreds of millions.

www.nation.co.ke/News/On...4/-/em98ovz/-/index.html
Jamani
#2 Posted : Tuesday, May 08, 2012 2:47:59 PM
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cutting corners......
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, May 08, 2012 2:58:40 PM
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Jamani wrote:
cutting corners......


strange! rarely do buildings collapse in certain areas...
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, May 08, 2012 4:00:26 PM
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Most building and land owners in cbd, westlands and upper hill areas usually have a better understanding of how construction works.

Its rare to see buildings in these areas being built without all relevant consultant inputs.

The Westlands building owner made his money selling mitumba so we can understand his background and why he would most likely try to pull the project kienyeji without proper consultancy.

The investment is a staggering kes 800m, a figure that can shake even the Warren Buffets of this world..

In CBD we are also witnessing many new buidings coming up kienyeji style especially along Koinange street area.

Now that more and more indigenous Kenyans are constructing in these prime locations, its the duty of NCC to fully enforce controls since we cant assume that the owners will foresee the need to uphold standards just by themselves.

The Ministry of Local Government should come up with enforcement methods e.g hiring more engineers, educating potential developers of dangers of kienyeji highrise construction, severe penalties to developers e.t.c

This lack of enforcement by Local Authority is what led to the Haiti catastrophe since most buildings were designed poorly hence a 7.0 Richter could wreck so much havoc while the same and higher Richter caused negligible damage in New Zealand and USA Loma Pieta.
http://en.wikipedia.org/..._Loma_Prieta_earthquake

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#5 Posted : Tuesday, May 08, 2012 8:29:31 PM
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Criminal negligence ....someone should go to jail for a very long time!!! And they should hurry about it ...doing this will get people wary of cutting corners.
majimaji
#6 Posted : Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:10:43 AM
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One hates to imagine what would have happened if the bldng had been occupied with tenants.
To hire a structural engineer costs a small fraction of the overall cost, there are some things not to go the jua kali way
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:13:46 AM
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well consequences of a property boom ..go to umoja and see how those houses are constructed . Gai. i dont think i can be able to sleep in those houses .
the houses are bending so much they could be doing gully creeper ! lol
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:38:57 AM
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I shudder to think what will happen should Nairobi ever experience a mid level intesity earthquake.
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:41:43 AM
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I shudder to think what will happen should Nairobi ever experience a mid level intesity earthquake.
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jaggernaut
#10 Posted : Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:52:25 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:


The investment is a staggering kes 800m.




Can one really recover from such a huge monetary loss? You can imagine the huge bank loans the owner had taken for the development. I just hope they were not apartments that had been sold off-plan and now the prospective owners would be left servicing mortgages (150k pm) for the next 20yrs for a building that has collapsed.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:54:00 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
In CBD we are also witnessing many new buidings coming up kienyeji style especially along Koinange street area.

Now that more and more indigenous Kenyans are constructing in these prime locations, its the duty of NCC to fully enforce controls since we cant assume that the owners will foresee the need to uphold standards just by themselves.
I find this comment (even if well-meaning) bordering on racism/ethnicism
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#12 Posted : Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:56:09 AM
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BTW, so who owns this building?
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:36:12 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:
In CBD we are also witnessing many new buidings coming up kienyeji style especially along Koinange street area.

Now that more and more indigenous Kenyans are constructing in these prime locations, its the duty of NCC to fully enforce controls since we cant assume that the owners will foresee the need to uphold standards just by themselves.
I find this comment (even if well-meaning) bordering on racism/ethnicism


Racism/Ethicity how? Please expound.
The building is owned by a Kikuyu-a very successful Mitumba dealer. Am also a Kikuyu.

Am only pointing out what happens in reality in Kenya construction industry.

Buildings have colapsed in Nairobi, Mombasa, Kisii,Kisumu,Kakamega within the last 1 year.
The common denominator for all these is ownership by indigenous Kenyans who have recently amased money enough for high rise construction e.g Kikuyu,Kisii,Arab,Luhya, Jaluo e.t.c.
The all have negated using professionals in their projects.

Compare this to most of upperhill owned by south africans, Americans,Europeans and a few Africans-whether or not NCC enforcement is used, they will still use professionals. This is coz they also made the same mistake and learnt-not coz they are more intelligent.

Indigenous Kenyans who don't know the importance of using consultants in their projects plus a Cit Council that does not enforce to ensure these use the consultants fully.

Check Kenyatta family or Ndegwa family projects-also indigenous Kenyans but somehow they understand that construction projects must have the full consultancy team for it to be successful. They don't wait for NCC enforcement to do this.

A newer crop of rich Kenyans has come up but they dont know the importance of consultancy and NCC does not force them to adhere to using consultants hence building collapse.

Another example is this:
A south African who has seen and invested in high rise buildings for say over 50 years has most definitely seen a building collapse due to not using professionals. If he comes to Kenya to build the same, he will most likely use professionals even without NCC enforcement coz he knows of the danger.
Likewise, as Kenyans learn from their mistakes, they will go to other emerging countries e.g Rwanda, Uganda, South Sudan and construct using professionals since they will have learnt from their mistakes.
Its all about collective experience.
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a4architect.com
#14 Posted : Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:38:16 AM
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jaggernaut wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:


The investment is a staggering kes 800m.




Can one really recover from such a huge monetary loss? You can imagine the huge bank loans the owner had taken for the development. I just hope they were not apartments that had been sold off-plan and now the prospective owners would be left servicing mortgages (150k pm) for the next 20yrs for a building that has collapsed.


They were meant to be serviced fully furnished apartments for rent.
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:07:53 PM
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Thats 10 million dollars... OUCH!!!!!
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kamundu
#16 Posted : Wednesday, May 09, 2012 4:36:12 PM
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That's why I am using a consultant even for my small diggz
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:03:38 PM
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http://www.the-star.co.k...stlands-scores-injured-


Odongo said the developer was then arrested and arraigned before senior resident magistrate VW Ndururu where he pleaded guilty to charges of erecting a building without approved plans on Plot No. 1870/111/490 and upon conviction by the court and further upon application by the prosecution for the construction to be stopped. He was fined Sh90, 000 on February 17, 2010.



http://www.the-star.co.k...s-constructed-illegally

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The building that collapsed yesterday along School lane in Westlands had been put up illegally. According to the Director of City Planning Tom Odongo, the City Council approved a three floor residential building but the owner put up 5 floors. Apparently, construction had been stopped and the owner John Kiarie arrested but it continued soon after his release.


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kamundu
#18 Posted : Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:53:46 PM
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Talk about impunity
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