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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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I think so. Pep is now sure to retire without a cup, even a sahani.  Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/14/2007 Posts: 4,152
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They won the Fifa World Club Cup in December and are still in the final of Copa del Rey so they still end up with silverware. Messi has just had 3 or 4 bad games, i think that's just a drop in form and nothing more....all players go through that. I think Pep wants to take on another challenge with a different club, his contract hasn't been renewed and i don't think it will.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Pep should better stay at Barca, he has rode the Frank Rijkaard bus for long enough, I don't think he will succeed away from Nou camp!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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McReggae wrote:Pep should better stay at Barca, he has rode the Frank Rijkaard bus for long enough, I don't think he will succeed away from Nou camp!!! Ditto!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/31/2008 Posts: 761 Location: Nairobi
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I think Pep is not as good as people think, and this is not a reaction from Yesterday's game. When I admire the wonder of a sunset or the beauty
of the moon, my soul expands in worship of the Creator.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/17/2007 Posts: 1,345
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Every players goes through a rough period. RVP has not scored for 3 games, save for the penalty. That does not mean His days are over.
But I do agree that I do not see Pep Performing outside Barca.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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No flower is withering. This is just a blip, all great players have it from time to time.
I also don't think Pep is riding Rijkaard's bus. He's won more silverware than Rijkaard won, so clearly,Pep is the better manager. When Rijkaard was leaving as manager, Barca where weaker than they are today.
But we can say Messi has fueled this bus for quite sometime.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/13/2009 Posts: 1,950 Location: in kenya
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messi is a fantastic player but unlike Ronaldo who is all rounded in that he is both a striker and hell of a winger..messi fails when a team has a strong midfield that cuts the supply to strikers. '......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/14/2007 Posts: 4,152
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selah wrote:messi is a fantastic player but unlike Ronaldo who is all rounded in that he is both a striker and hell of a winger..messi fails when a team has a strong midfield that cuts the supply to strikers. Unlike Real Madrid, Barca play without strikers.....Cesc, Messi, Xavi, Iniesta and Sanchez are all midfielders (who are not physically strong as well) at times are forced to play as strikers. Messi simply didn't have anyone to pass the ball to. I believe if Chelsea were to park the bass against Real or Bayern then watapewa kichapo because those two teams have very strong players at the front who can harass the defenders on set plays. I think Barca miss David Villa at the front! Messi is also a very good winger lakini with no striker then his influence becomes pointless.....Cuenca also found himself in a similar situation. Ronaldo always has Benzema/Higuain to assist at the front when he gets marked out.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/7/2007 Posts: 2,182
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messi remains a lethal player, everybody has off days sometimes LOVE WHAT YOU DO, DO WHAT YOU LOVE.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 161 Location: nairobi
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Like any system of play, tiki- taka has its weakness. Its weakness being that its over elaborate and it capitalises on Barcelona's ability to penetrate defences with their neat passing. It has failed in three crucial matches this season. This does not mean by any means that The house of Barca is crumbling. 2 seasons ago barca, was eliminated by Inter at the same stage of the champions league but sure enough they bounced back and reclaimed the title last year.
Just remember that in its current form, no team has ever retained the champions league. Barca & Messi will live to fight another day
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2010 Posts: 1,797 Location: Kenya
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Fantastic play by Chelsea. period I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/25/2012 Posts: 1,624 Location: Langley
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He has denied me Cl twice. Let him flop If you have built castles in the air, your work need not be lost; that is where they should be. Now put the foundations under them.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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Ans I saw him (Messi) pull a 2004 Rooney to a chelase player when he realised time was running out and they were not winning the game. Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Impunity wrote:I think so. Pep is now sure to retire without a cup, even a sahani. I thought this thread is about Messi? The statistics still put him way up there and he's only 24. I don't see any withering here unless there's another meaning to that word, withering.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/14/2007 Posts: 4,152
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McReggae wrote:Pep should better stay at Barca, he has rode the Frank Rijkaard bus for long enough, I don't think he will succeed away from Nou camp!!! I think you are wrong, Rijkaards team was mainly centred on players such as Ronaldinho, Deco, Eto'o, Larson, Giuly, Belleti, Marquez etc. It is Pep who was incharge of Barca's Reserve team which developed and promoted young players such as Iniesta, Messi, Pedro, Busquets, Pique, Puyol, Xavi etc. He has a unique bond with the players thats why they usually say they can't imagine Barca without Pep. Actually its only Valdez and Puyol who were in the Barca team that won the 2006 CL final against Arsenal. If you look at the systems of play used by both managers you'd realise that they are totally different....Pep focuses more on possession football and flair. We all say Mourinho is a football genius but the thing is he doesn't "adopt" teams, he's usually given alot of money to sign any player he wants and build his own squad. I find it interesting that you question Pep's capabilities outside Barca but do you think SAF (as a Man Utd fan) can achieve anything outside Man Utd?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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TAZ wrote:McReggae wrote:Pep should better stay at Barca, he has rode the Frank Rijkaard bus for long enough, I don't think he will succeed away from Nou camp!!! I think you are wrong, Rijkaards team was mainly centred on players such as Ronaldinho, Deco, Eto'o, Larson, Giuly, Belleti, Marquez etc. It is Pep who was incharge of Barca's Reserve team which developed and promoted young players such as Iniesta, Messi, Pedro, Busquets, Pique, Puyol, Xavi etc. He has a unique bond with the players thats why they usually say they can't imagine Barca without Pep. Actually its only Valdez and Puyol who were in the Barca team that won the 2006 CL final against Arsenal. If you look at the systems of play used by both managers you'd realise that they are totally different....Pep focuses more on possession football and flair. We all say Mourinho is a football genius but the thing is he doesn't "adopt" teams, he's usually given alot of money to sign any player he wants and build his own squad. I find it interesting that you question Pep's capabilities outside Barca but do you think SAF (as a Man Utd fan) can achieve anything outside Man Utd? @TAZ, I couldn't put it any better,especially the Mourinho part without taking anything from Pep's part. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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mkeiyd wrote:TAZ wrote:McReggae wrote:Pep should better stay at Barca, he has rode the Frank Rijkaard bus for long enough, I don't think he will succeed away from Nou camp!!! I think you are wrong, Rijkaards team was mainly centred on players such as Ronaldinho, Deco, Eto'o, Larson, Giuly, Belleti, Marquez etc. It is Pep who was incharge of Barca's Reserve team which developed and promoted young players such as Iniesta, Messi, Pedro, Busquets, Pique, Puyol, Xavi etc. He has a unique bond with the players thats why they usually say they can't imagine Barca without Pep. Actually its only Valdez and Puyol who were in the Barca team that won the 2006 CL final against Arsenal. If you look at the systems of play used by both managers you'd realise that they are totally different....Pep focuses more on possession football and flair. We all say Mourinho is a football genius but the thing is he doesn't "adopt" teams, he's usually given alot of money to sign any player he wants and build his own squad. I find it interesting that you question Pep's capabilities outside Barca but do you think SAF (as a Man Utd fan) can achieve anything outside Man Utd? @TAZ, I couldn't put it any better,especially the Mourinho part without taking anything from Pep's part. @TAZ When Rijkaard left barca Pique, messi, Iniesta nd Xavi were already 1st teamers, Pep inherited a team that was already up there, you can't compare with SAF who took over a struggling team and built a dynasty, Pep wants to run away now that he doesn't know what to do next!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/14/2007 Posts: 4,152
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@ Mc Reggae.... Pep didn't inherit those players, he's actually the one who developed them and called for the youth to be given a chance to play for the first team. Thats what made the Barca mgt sack Rijkaard and promote their reserve coach.....Messi emerged when Pep took charge of Barca B while Xavi was even Pep's understudy.
On SAF my question was, do you think he can find success outside England....can he secure back to back titles in Germany or Italy! Lets be fair to Pep, at his age he deserves alot for what he's achieved.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2009 Posts: 2,375
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TAZ wrote:McReggae wrote:Pep should better stay at Barca, he has rode the Frank Rijkaard bus for long enough, I don't think he will succeed away from Nou camp!!! I think you are wrong, Rijkaards team was mainly centred on players such as Ronaldinho, Deco, Eto'o, Larson, Giuly, Belleti, Marquez etc. It is Pep who was incharge of Barca's Reserve team which developed and promoted young players such as Iniesta, Messi, Pedro, Busquets, Pique, Puyol, Xavi etc. He has a unique bond with the players thats why they usually say they can't imagine Barca without Pep. Actually its only Valdez and Puyol who were in the Barca team that won the 2006 CL final against Arsenal. If you look at the systems of play used by both managers you'd realise that they are totally different....Pep focuses more on possession football and flair. We all say Mourinho is a football genius but the thing is he doesn't "adopt" teams, he's usually given alot of money to sign any player he wants and build his own squad. I find it interesting that you question Pep's capabilities outside Barca but do you think SAF (as a Man Utd fan) can achieve anything outside Man Utd? Please read about SAF even just on Wikipedia. He was brought to Man U coz of what he had achiedved elsewhere(St Mirren:won with a team of 19 year olds Scottish 1st division,Aberdeen: a couple of Scottish 1st division wins, Scottish cups and Scottish league cups and European Cup winners cup,European Super Cup, the most successful manager of Aberdeen). The guy has achieved elsewher not just at Man U. It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
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