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Konza City featured on K24 all week this week
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#71 Posted : Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:59:28 PM
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I find it a bit suspect that a project of this magnitude, and a core pillar of vision 2030 does not seem to have input from very important stakeholders, the ministry of land, ministry of planning and ministry of public works.
Only Ndemo is pushing this thing, even his boss Pogisho does not seems to know what going on.

Compare this to the LAPSET project.
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#72 Posted : Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:05:18 PM
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Midweek on THE BENCH- 'Konza ICT City-Vision or Pipe Dream'. Tonight at 8pm, the CEO of the Kenya ICT Board, Paul Kokubo. Spread THE WORD!
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murchr
#73 Posted : Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:13:43 PM
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More from Ndemo

A facility like Konza is overdue. So far we have more than 18 Universities both local and International wanting space at the Science Park. The Park is just next to the IT Enabled Services Park. This is the only way you can develop the tripple helix (Universities, Government and Industry) in order to enhance innovation and competitiveness.

When you see Giant organization like Nokia setting up at I-Hub it tells you we are behind in what we have been doing. Indeed our thinking has always been minimalist and always comparing ourselves with Somalia. We must begin to develop the confidence to compete with the best. We have just started and we must continue to encourage this.



Ndemo.
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eboomerang
#74 Posted : Thursday, April 05, 2012 12:42:16 AM
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murchr wrote:
More from Ndemo

A facility like Konza is overdue. So far we have more than 18 Universities both local and International wanting space at the Science Park. The Park is just next to the IT Enabled Services Park. This is the only way you can develop the tripple helix (Universities, Government and Industry) in order to enhance innovation and competitiveness.

When you see Giant organization like Nokia setting up at I-Hub it tells you we are behind in what we have been doing. Indeed our thinking has always been minimalist and always comparing ourselves with Somalia. We must begin to develop the confidence to compete with the best. We have just started and we must continue to encourage this.



Ndemo.

Ok, following the comments on this thread it seems that @murchr you are seeing the vision that Dr Bitange is seeing and the rest of us are being considered to be devil's advocates since we fail to agree with how that vision can be realized.

If you don't mind, could you go to page 2 of this thread and see the issues I raised there and hopefully respond.
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#75 Posted : Thursday, April 05, 2012 10:27:27 AM
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The good thing about such real estate involving projects is that after some time, theory takes a back seat and practicality commences upon ground breaking.

Once the ground is broken, we can then audit the performance based on the number of investors who will start constructing within a year.

Lets hope it will start soon so that we can see the actualization of it as opposed to the theory behind it.
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Ric dees
#76 Posted : Thursday, April 05, 2012 12:00:19 PM
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...Alright with all other factors remaining constant all i hear in relations to Konza is Ndemo, hats off to him, in business resilience am told if you find yourself relying on some-one so heavily then it's time to let that person go..so what IF some-one says Bitange TOSHA or JP,GS,BTMJ wave him a FAT consulting cheque on a global scale then what happens? do we have some-one with equal zeal,knowledge to take over if so yuko wapi?

So those in the know please shed light for those of us who are in the dark on what would happen in-case of such a scenario?

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Drunkard
#77 Posted : Friday, April 06, 2012 9:58:51 PM
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Konza city to me would be a great idea, if it is not a scam for PNU or whichever party is controlling the government, to siphon money from treasury!
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#78 Posted : Saturday, April 07, 2012 8:17:34 AM
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@ drunkard.

The below are the possible situations that Konza city can develop into a scam if not audited:
If these situations below are not audited, then they can open room for scam.

1.Ministry of Info cuts deals with Worldbank/IFC and London architects and engineers to be paid high fees through tax payer money then they remit kickbacks.

Ammount raised in kickbacks this way can only be a few million KES.

2. Ministry of info cuts deals with conveyancing lawyers and brokers to be paid high fees through tax payers money in sale of the 5000 ac land then they remit back the kickbacks.

Ammount raised in kickbacks this way can only be a few million KES of the kes 1b land cost.

3.Ministry of Info disregards AG Muigai advice to allow for competitive bidding and goes ahead to negotiate whom to allocate the land to without creating open public systems to ensure this.

Due to the hype, land price is already 4m per acre in Konza.

Assuming ministry of info uphold the price for konza to kes 200k per acre, this will result in too much demand where buyer A,B,and C compete for the same land at 200k since they cant afford the 4m per acre outside Konza.

The competition will result in corruption whereby buyer A outwits buyer B and C by paying the oficial 200k and a million or two under the table.

This under- the- table ammount will run into billions of KES.

These con artists below have already amassed 260m.
http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/hv7sfbz/-/index.html


This is where the AG Githu Muigai comes in to ensure it cant happen.

He issued a legal opinion that Ministry of Info should allow for tender process whereby buyer A,B and C give their offer and the highest bidder takes the land.
This way, there will be no need for the under-the -table dealings since the system will allow for competition.

AG Githu Muigai was a PNU Nominee so i doubt if it can be a PNU plan since he would simply have been told to 'go srow'.
PNU are also not so keen to dealing with Worldbank/IFC and London based engineers and prefer the Chinese.

On the above AG competitive bidding advice issue, Ndemo responded as below,threatening to resign.

http://www.businessdaily.../-/i1lyc5z/-/index.html

Quote:
He said the legal opinion is aimed at preventing legal battles for control of prime lands and is in step with the Public Procurement and Disposal Act (PPDA) 2005, which bars sale to a predetermined person or group.

However, Information permanent secretary Bitange Ndemo said the AG's legal opinion runs parallel to the spirit of the project, arguing that the directive would slow down the ambitious project that is set to cost Sh800 billion.

"This will be a major blow, and I would rather resign than see a project that would open up the employment opportunities locally go into the drain," said Dr Ndemo.


http://www.businessdaily...9546/1302006/-/15f2fe0/-
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alma
#79 Posted : Saturday, April 07, 2012 11:55:54 AM
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I'm always wary of people who say they'd rather resign.

That's why I keep on asking, what is so special about this project that its being thrown down our throats as it is? Iko nini? Is it more important than Lamu? Is it more important than Laptec?

Thanks a4architect, you have laid it all for people to see. They haven't taken your challenge and like mlm'rs they've told guys that they can stay in Nairobi if they don't like Konza.

Confidence guys avoid the queries and instead tell you "you will see".
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#80 Posted : Saturday, April 07, 2012 1:04:11 PM
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@alma..welcome. Konza city falls within my area of expertise-real estate so i can understand it very well hence a need for detailed answers to queries that i raise.

The Konza City website does not provide detailed info that i can use to enable deeper understanding.

Pro-Konza Wazuans also do not provide this much needed info.

If Konza Team/Ministry of Info had a Kenyan Architectural/Engineering/legal/finance team, i could have called them for technical answers to my queries.

The current technical team i.e Worldbank/IFC and London based engineers seem too far-off to answer hence i haven't bothered to ask them.


See this article here about Florida in the 1920s and how high land prices led to loss of investments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/..._land_boom_of_the_1920s
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