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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/25/2010 Posts: 939 Location: Nai
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Don't expect to get the appropriate funding for the IT sector from our leaders who can't get their brains around what IT is all about. Who are funding the incubation projects around nairobi and do we need them? its foreigners- the likes of Google, Samsung, Nokia,Hivos ,Omidyar... with the exception of a few local companies who are providing funds I never heard during the budget correct me if am wrong any funds set aside for developing capacity in the IT industry. This funding from multinationals to me is a positive indication that they can see what the government and some people can't see and that is there is talent which can be nurtured to match the rest which is considered the best of the world. Do we need the incubation centers? From experience we can't do without them if we are to move ahead in the technology industry and achieve konza. I am a member of one and I know they are helping in furthering skills for local developers and designers and also connecting them to people who can use their services unlike years ago when developers easily gave up on pursuing IT for other jobs so that they can put food on the table. These Incubators have given rise to quite a number of small startup such as Bei Yangu, Bityarn, Blue digital, four99 i know over 40 startups from one incubator that am member of. For some to say we are moving ahead in IT industry will want to see the equivalent of products like ipad, google but the product that we need most are the ones that can be used locally first to solve our problems and its these products that can be transformed to target wider global market. Can the ICT side of Konza be achieved? Why not if Kenyans first support these startups and the existing IT companies through purchase of their products instead of believing it has to be from elsewhere to be good enough. I'll give just one example out of the many http://www.icontrace.com/ aren't there products by that company that can be of use in Kenya and Beyond?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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muthoniruth wrote:[quote=a4architect.com]@ alma.. For Konza, the purchase and advert is funded by tax payer money direct from treasury. Clearance from PAC Bonny Khalwale et al is needed for such a venture especially on how the profits from land sale will be repatriated back to treasury.
My little understanding is that the land will not be on sale, govt will lease out to interested investors.
I stand to be corrected.
@muthoniruth.... all land in Kenya belong to the Government of the Republic of Kenya. Govt then leases the land for 99 years to citizens. After expiry of 99 year lease, Minister for lands re-issues or ammends the title accordingly. To lease the land, it uses Ministry of Lands and Ministry of Local Govt/councils as the agents to manage this. When you buy a kaploti of 50 by 100 from your fellow citizen, you have in essence bought the lease from them. Thats why titles with few years remaining on the lease e.g 10 to 30 fetch lower in the market as opposed to titles with many years remaining. The 14000 acre land next to Konza belonging to EAPCement had its 99 year lease expire a few years ago. Minister for lands will either renew to same owner or re-issue to a different owner or re-issue to same owner but with less land which he re-issues to a new owner. Ndemo should have requested to be allocated 5000 ac from the 14000 acres all for free since its for the good of the people. This way, he could have saved our kes 1 billion which he used to purchase the konza land and re-used the kes 1 billion to lay ICT infrastructure. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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a4architect.com wrote: all land in Kenya belong to the Government of the Republic of Kenya. Govt then leases the land for 99 years to citizens. After expiry of 99 year lease, Minister for lands re-issues or ammends the title accordingly.
Has land law in Kenya changed? My recollection of land law in Kenya is that there are 3 main types of land rights: Freehold: aka absolute proprietorship Leasehold: where land is owned by the govt but the buyer leases it for a period of time e.g. 99years, 999years. This is mainly in commercial centres i.e towns and cities. But parts of Nairobi e.g Karen are freehold! Trust Land: This is community land. Such land is usually held in trust by local authorities on behalf of the community. Remember the Turkana land issue? Land there is just trust land, no title, it belongs to the community! The Konza area must have been freehold but then after the goverment purchases it, it may convert the land into leasehold.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/28/2006 Posts: 1,799
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a4architect.com wrote:muthoniruth wrote:[quote=a4architect.com]@ alma.. For Konza, the purchase and advert is funded by tax payer money direct from treasury. Clearance from PAC Bonny Khalwale et al is needed for such a venture especially on how the profits from land sale will be repatriated back to treasury.
My little understanding is that the land will not be on sale, govt will lease out to interested investors.
I stand to be corrected.
@muthoniruth.... all land in Kenya belong to the Government of the Republic of Kenya. Govt then leases the land for 99 years to citizens. After expiry of 99 year lease, Minister for lands re-issues or ammends the title accordingly. To lease the land, it uses Ministry of Lands and Ministry of Local Govt/councils as the agents to manage this. When you buy a kaploti of 50 by 100 from your fellow citizen, you have in essence bought the lease from them. Thats why titles with few years remaining on the lease e.g 10 to 30 fetch lower in the market as opposed to titles with many years remaining. The 14000 acre land next to Konza belonging to EAPCement had its 99 year lease expire a few years ago. Minister for lands will either renew to same owner or re-issue to a different owner or re-issue to same owner but with less land which he re-issues to a new owner. Ndemo should have requested to be allocated 5000 ac from the 14000 acres all for free since its for the good of the people. This way, he could have saved our kes 1 billion which he used to purchase the konza land and re-used the kes 1 billion to lay ICT infrastructure. @a4arch... if i have 1 acre i have developed with residential apartments.. lease period remaining is 2 years. when that expires are u saying the government can just issue the land to someone else? what about all the developments therein? are they transfered with the lease?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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@chemos, just pay your ground rents fully. It is almost given that GoK will renew the lease. The purpose of having some leasehold land is to make it easier for govts to enforce urban planning regulations.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:a4architect.com wrote: all land in Kenya belong to the Government of the Republic of Kenya. Govt then leases the land for 99 years to citizens. After expiry of 99 year lease, Minister for lands re-issues or ammends the title accordingly.
Has land law in Kenya changed? My recollection of land law in Kenya is that there are 3 main types of land rights: Freehold: aka absolute proprietorship Leasehold: where land is owned by the govt but the buyer leases it for a period of time e.g. 99years, 999years. This is mainly in commercial centres i.e towns and cities. But parts of Nairobi e.g Karen are freehold! Trust Land: This is community land. Such land is usually held in trust by local authorities on behalf of the community. Remember the Turkana land issue? Land there is just trust land, no title, it belongs to the community! The Konza area must have been freehold but then after the goverment purchases it, it may convert the land into leasehold. @Lolest..after new constitution, all land now belongs to the people of Kenya. The 999 year lease was abolished and issues to do with foreigners owning land were addressed.See below link http://www.kenyalaws.com...pter-five-part-one.html
Quote:(61) - Classification of land All land in Kenya belongs to the people of Kenya collectively as a nation, as communities and as individuals. Land in Kenya is classified as public, community or private. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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chemos wrote:a4architect.com wrote:muthoniruth wrote:[quote=a4architect.com]@ alma.. For Konza, the purchase and advert is funded by tax payer money direct from treasury. Clearance from PAC Bonny Khalwale et al is needed for such a venture especially on how the profits from land sale will be repatriated back to treasury.
My little understanding is that the land will not be on sale, govt will lease out to interested investors.
I stand to be corrected.
@muthoniruth.... all land in Kenya belong to the Government of the Republic of Kenya. Govt then leases the land for 99 years to citizens. After expiry of 99 year lease, Minister for lands re-issues or ammends the title accordingly. To lease the land, it uses Ministry of Lands and Ministry of Local Govt/councils as the agents to manage this. When you buy a kaploti of 50 by 100 from your fellow citizen, you have in essence bought the lease from them. Thats why titles with few years remaining on the lease e.g 10 to 30 fetch lower in the market as opposed to titles with many years remaining. The 14000 acre land next to Konza belonging to EAPCement had its 99 year lease expire a few years ago. Minister for lands will either renew to same owner or re-issue to a different owner or re-issue to same owner but with less land which he re-issues to a new owner. Ndemo should have requested to be allocated 5000 ac from the 14000 acres all for free since its for the good of the people. This way, he could have saved our kes 1 billion which he used to purchase the konza land and re-used the kes 1 billion to lay ICT infrastructure. @a4arch... if i have 1 acre i have developed with residential apartments.. lease period remaining is 2 years. when that expires are u saying the government can just issue the land to someone else? what about all the developments therein? are they transfered with the lease? @chemos..when the lease expires, Minister for Lands through Minister for Local Govt will evaluate your land . If your land use is not compatible with Local Govt conditions e.g its in CBD and you have not developed high rise,in a town and you have not developed it to high density as the local authority bye laws require, ,not paid rates, e.t.c he can re-issue to someone else. As we speak, another 14,000 acre next to Konza opposite Daystar belonging to a mzungu had its lease expire last year. Some Mzungus who are not citizens had a 999 year lease/freehold title . The new constitution bars non-kenyans from holding freehold land. Minister for lands will have a herculean task to resolve this one. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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a4architect.com wrote:@Lolest..after new constitution, all land now belongs to the people of Kenya. The 999 year lease was abolished and issues to do with foreigners owning land were addressed.See below link http://www.kenyalaws.com...pter-five-part-one.html
Quote:(61) - Classification of land All land in Kenya belongs to the people of Kenya collectively as a nation, as communities and as individuals. Land in Kenya is classified as public, community or private. Please read the law again brother. The new constitution did not change the main land tenure systems as they were. From your link of the new law: * (64) - Private land 1. Private land consists of — 1. registered land held by any person under any freehold tenure; 2. land held by any person under leasehold tenure; and 3. any other land declared private land under an Act of Parliament.See, freehold ownership is even recognised by the new constitution! The issue of leases not exceeding 99 years, this applies to cases where foreigners are involved but a Kenyan citizen can still have a lease of more than 99 years! # 65) - Landholding by non-citizens
1. A person who is not a citizen may hold land on the basis of leasehold tenure only, and any such lease, however granted, shall not exceed ninety-nine years.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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we are back to the land issue....where are these Konza guys to steer us towards ICT? Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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alma wrote:we are back to the land issue....where are these Konza guys to steer us towards ICT? Maybe you guys are right, Konza City might end up being a successful real estate venture!
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