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OIL IN AFRICA
YesuWangu
#21 Posted : Thursday, March 29, 2012 11:45:27 AM
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Who wants to watch such boring documentaries when there are more exciting stuff from Hollywood?

Look at the number of views that video has accumulated- 36,820, since Sep 17, 2010!

Can NGOs and civil society help? Don't bother, they only do what their funders say and tell them to do.

Can African Governments help? Don't bother, they have a few skeletons in their closets and other things.

Can the African middo crass help? Don't bother, making a quick buck and watching Hollywood to forget the poverty around them will do just fine for them.

Can the foreign governments help? They are concerned about good governance in Africa right? Yeah, right!

Can Hugo Chavez help? He did try to help and Gadaffi got it.

Sigh.

Who has our best interests at heart? Hoilnestly?
young
#22 Posted : Thursday, March 29, 2012 11:50:52 AM
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Let me enlighten you a little as a nigerian from the Niger Delter Region and as a worker with petroleum exploration firm with a fair knowlege of Kenya (beyond Nairobi, Msa etc).

To avoid oil curse Kenya policy makers have to :-

(i) Address the imbalance in terms of social amenities
to Northern Kenya. Nature has a way of compensating
the neglected and down trodden people by providing
enormous wealth in such places. Turkana that is
now a popular county is the most negleted region
in Kenya even without oil. The reason is the arid
and semi arid nature of the land. Now oil is
found in the negleted area what next ?

(ii) Oil exploration even though it brings enormous
wealth is a destructive activity to the
environment, so when oil is explored in a negleted
and down trodden environment like Turkana county
and their atmosphere poluted, their farmlands
destroyed, people becoming more impoverished, what
do you think will happen when Turkana people will
become consious that the wealth of the nation is
from their negleted region ? Seize the oil
workers, stop production, blow up pipelines in
retaliation ?? Kenya have to put a plan in place
to avert this. The best model so far is the Norway
model where the locals in the oil producing areas
where fully evacuated and relocated to other
regions within Norway. The question remains is it
workable in Africa.


(iii) One "wise" or better still stupid thing African nations do is that they refuse to learn from other countries to get informed and tap some experience in a new area they have no previous experience.

Whatever the bad news about Nigeria Oil and other African Countries, it cannot be 100% bad. A country that started oil production (not discovery) in 1959 has got some positive experience.
If I were Kenya policy makers I would take time to understudy other African Nations experience, pick up some positive things and drop some negatives. This makes you a better oil producer instead of sitting down in an arm chair in Nairobi and conclude from what you hear. Oil production is a process and first thing to know is :-
(i) Kenya must set up a regulatory authority to supervise and control the foreign companies.
(ii) From the onset Kenya must decide the mode of production after studying the models of other countries after balancing the pros and cons
Must it be JV (Joint Venture) between the exploration companies and Kenyan govt
OR
PSA (Production Sharing Agreement) where the exploration companies invest with their funds and recoup with barrels of oil ?
OR
Should it be mixture of both.
(iii) How is the Oil revenue be managed ?
(iv) What of issues of Keyanisation in Oil production companies ie ensuring job succession and guaranteeing
local content of Kenyans in management position in oil production companies.
I was actually expecting thoughts in this direction
from policy makers. Ghana took time to understudy Angola, Nigeria, Egypt and libya, pick up the plusses
and drop the minuses to come up with the right approach and so far they are doing well.
Your neighbouring Uganda thought they can do it alone without any experience, the result is one step forward and two step backward as they are now, they do not know exactly what they want.

I wish Kenya all the best.

Let me asked how many of us have visited Turkana County ? Those people have seen poverty, they have seen starvation. Oil production might be yet another
burden if something is done not done. I know their Mpigs are eating fat in Nairobi. Politicians only visit them in their private choppers to dash them food in exchange for votes during election period as they do not have roads, health facilties, schools etc. They are second class citizens of Kenya, people to be laughed at !!!

The name Turkana, Wajir etc only rang a bell during Kenya for Kenyans initiative piloted by amiable red cross boss Abass.
Kenya has to take time to learn from the mistakes of other countries like Nigeria. It is not about talking but that of working.
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
a4architect.com
#23 Posted : Thursday, March 29, 2012 11:56:14 AM
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@young..asante for the mawaidha..lets hope Kenya Ministry of Energy is listening to these wise words..
As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
YesuWangu
#24 Posted : Thursday, March 29, 2012 12:07:12 PM
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I did visit the area near the dam some time back. I went to do a few things related to my profession. Not only there but surrounding areas such as Pokot as well. I have interests there that are private and personal.

To listen to people in Nairobi already talking big about what they will achieve fills me with indignation.
young
#25 Posted : Thursday, March 29, 2012 12:54:19 PM
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Hightened expectation from people in Turkana environ.
Typical reaction of oil producing communities in Africa. Will their dreams come true ?
Will govt make hay while the sun shines ?



Read Further


http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/p099opz/-/index.html


http://www.businessdaily...0/-/oilaexz/-/index.html
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
theman192000
#26 Posted : Thursday, March 29, 2012 3:03:21 PM
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One of the problems highlighted in the video clip was borrowing to build infrastructure.

Could Kenya have dodged that bullet by getting SS to build it for us?
mkeiyd
#27 Posted : Thursday, March 29, 2012 3:10:00 PM
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hisah wrote:
KE is in a unique position since both the west & chings are here. Therefore east & west have to find away of making this marriage work. Else everyone loses. So stop worrying, this marriage has to work if anyone is to benefit from the coming boom of EA economies which will flow into DRC, CAR till Cameroon and south to Mozambique. With that in mind, would any investor want to screw things up? Backward politicians don't stand a chance.

Kazi iendelee... smile

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a4architect.com
#28 Posted : Friday, March 30, 2012 8:26:37 AM
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@young..now that you mentioned you come form the Niger Delta, what in your opinion is the cause of Nigeria producing millions of barrels per day yet over 70% of its population live on less than 1 usd per day?
As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
madollar
#29 Posted : Friday, March 30, 2012 11:40:17 AM
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great read about the oil find in kenya

http://www.prospectingjo...the-tepid-promise032912/
Cde Monomotapa
#30 Posted : Friday, March 30, 2012 11:56:45 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@young..asante for the mawaidha..lets hope Kenya Ministry of Energy is listening to these wise words..

madollar
#31 Posted : Friday, March 30, 2012 11:57:45 AM
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salalaa this oil find seems to be causing ripples

In ten years — maybe less — Kenya is slated to be the United Arab Emirates of East Africa.

http://www.energyandcapi...les/they-struck-oil/2137
Cde Monomotapa
#32 Posted : Friday, March 30, 2012 11:59:15 AM
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[quote=madollar]great read about the oil find in kenya

http://www.prospectingjo...he-tepid-promise032912/[/quote]
Agreed.
2012
#33 Posted : Friday, March 30, 2012 5:39:19 PM
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Very interesting article. As wrong and sad as it might be, it is the true.

Oil is the best thing that could have happened to us, but it has its owners

BBI will solve it
:)
Forester
#34 Posted : Friday, March 30, 2012 6:03:42 PM
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We're being colonized a second time Sad by being hoodwinked with this infrastructure development and now oil/coal exploration. All these Chinese & the West pple care about their own interests, once theyv rap*d our country off its resources, tutabaki uchi Sad Sad Sad and pay dearly.

Build your own dreams, or someone else will hire you to build theirs - Farrah Gray.
mkeiyd
#35 Posted : Saturday, March 31, 2012 10:05:02 AM
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Forester wrote:
We're being colonized a second time Sad by being hoodwinked with this infrastructure development and now oil/coal exploration. All these Chinese & the West pple care about their own interests, once theyv rap*d our country off its resources, tutabaki uchi Sad Sad Sad and pay dearly.




@Forester, What you say we do? How about you back up your argument with facts.
Because if you don't, i will accuse you of suffering from mental slavery. The crippling of one's thinking,to the extend on not being ever,have rational thinking.
When your thinking is clouded in fear,emotion/anger, you are colonized.
I will disagree to a very large degree with your assertions.
We are NOT being colonized.
All the infrastructure being developed, is a PLUS for the country.
If development loans for roads,airports,sea ports etc is colonization, how about we close our local banks. I mean, following your analogy, they are colonizing Kenyans by giving them loans to build homes, start businesses etc.
Example:When a gov't like China advances credit to Kenya for Thika Rd or airport expansion, then follows and makes sure those projects are implemented [forget our local cowboy contractors,they need more time in the cold], how is that colonization?

May be you should define colonization for me.

Now i can rush to Thika and back in a few minutes, the expanded JKIA will raise the profile,bringing in more business opportunities. How do you think KQ is going to expand if the airport ain't expanding?
The coal/oil exploration, how do you suggest we go forward? Just chase the explorers? And do what?
You got to know where you are,where you've come from, for you to know where you are going.
Do we have the capital to explore/mine? By capital i mean financial,human and infrastructural. Do we have it?
So far, we don't. But joining hands with those have the capital, in the process we will develop and have ours.
The rest of the world,each has a history stretching thousands of years. Do we have it? Two thousand years ago, where were we?
In short, for us to catch up with the rest of the world, we have to learn from it and learn fast.
If we think without fear and anger, we'll come up with rational decisions for our country,which won't lead us to isolation or irrelevance, but one that will lead us to the path of prosperity.
Norway moved its people to give room for oil exploration and drilling,if that were to be suggested here,what would be the uproar? "We are selling our ancestral lands for oil money" would be the story. that is because most our thinking is not rational.
Do you think Hong Kong or Singapore developed from their own pockets?
Roads are built by consortia whose bank accounts are in far lands. Does that mean they are colonized? Does that mean they don't develop? Every time i read people comparing us and them. If we are to compare us with them, then we got to think like them.
They used other countries' capital to develop. Look where they are,and then look at Kenya.
Remember the time Hellen Sambili rebuffed attempts to name Nyayo stadium Coca Cola? The reason was sovereignty,heritage and all sorts of crap. There was a debate here on wazua,and some people argued how renaming the stadium coca cola would be tantamount to selling our sovereignty,our heritage,our dignity,colonization they said.
How stupid! There we lost a good chance of having a state of the art stadium.
What is that heritage sambili was protecting? Run down facility? Stupidity? If people had thought without fear/emotion,they would have seen that , we were not losing anything, we were to gain.
Heritage is having a good stadium which develops world class sportsmen. NOT having a stadium retain Nyayo as its name. That's NOT patriotism/heritage/sovereignty.
That's having a colonized mind.
Otherwise we can chase every foreign investor, and wallow in want,making do with our taxes and take several times longer, to cover the same dev't we would have,if we engaged the ones with the capital.
Rational thinking devoid of fear/emotion is the magical key.
a4architect.com
#36 Posted : Saturday, March 31, 2012 10:29:09 AM
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The guy who came up with the concept of paper money- Mayer Amschel rothschild- had this to say:

“Give me the power to control a nation’s currency and I care not who makes its laws.”

http://www.a4architect.c...on-is-an-invisible-tax/

Basically, no one else will help Kenyans to think on win-win situations exept Kenyans themselves.

Only laws drafted to allow for win-win deals and a parliament that keeps the executive in check and a citizenry that is involved and keeps both parliament and executive in check can result for win-win contracts in Kenya.
As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
young
#37 Posted : Saturday, March 31, 2012 10:44:58 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@young..now that you mentioned you come form the Niger Delta, what in your opinion is the cause of Nigeria producing millions of barrels per day yet over 70% of its population live on less than 1 usd per day?



CORRUPTION.
It has nothing to do from where in Nigeria I come from.
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
Forester
#38 Posted : Saturday, March 31, 2012 10:46:04 AM
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mkeiyd wrote:
Forester wrote:
We're being colonized a second time Sad by being hoodwinked with this infrastructure development and now oil/coal exploration. All these Chinese & the West pple care about their own interests, once theyv rap*d our country off its resources, tutabaki uchi Sad Sad Sad and pay dearly.




@Forester, What you say we do? How about you back up your argument with facts.
Because if you don't, i will accuse you of suffering from mental slavery. The crippling of one's thinking,to the extend on not being ever,have rational thinking.
When your thinking is clouded in fear,emotion/anger, you are colonized.
I will disagree to a very large degree with your assertions.
We are NOT being colonized.
All the infrastructure being developed, is a PLUS for the country.
If development loans for roads,airports,sea ports etc is colonization, how about we close our local banks. I mean, following your analogy, they are colonizing Kenyans by giving them loans to build homes, start businesses etc.
Example:When a gov't like China advances credit to Kenya for Thika Rd or airport expansion, then follows and makes sure those projects are implemented [forget our local cowboy contractors,they need more time in the cold], how is that colonization?

May be you should define colonization for me.

Now i can rush to Thika and back in a few minutes, the expanded JKIA will raise the profile,bringing in more business opportunities. How do you think KQ is going to expand if the airport ain't expanding?
The coal/oil exploration, how do you suggest we go forward? Just chase the explorers? And do what?
You got to know where you are,where you've come from, for you to know where you are going.
Do we have the capital to explore/mine? By capital i mean financial,human and infrastructural. Do we have it?
So far, we don't. But joining hands with those have the capital, in the process we will develop and have ours.
The rest of the world,each has a history stretching thousands of years. Do we have it? Two thousand years ago, where were we?
In short, for us to catch up with the rest of the world, we have to learn from it and learn fast.
If we think without fear and anger, we'll come up with rational decisions for our country,which won't lead us to isolation or irrelevance, but one that will lead us to the path of prosperity.Norway moved its people to give room for oil exploration and drilling,if that were to be suggested here,what would be the uproar? "We are selling our ancestral lands for oil money" would be the story. that is because most our thinking is not rational.
Do you think Hong Kong or Singapore developed from their own pockets?
Roads are built by consortia whose bank accounts are in far lands. Does that mean they are colonized? Does that mean they don't develop? Every time i read people comparing us and them. If we are to compare us with them, then we got to think like them.
They used other countries' capital to develop. Look where they are,and then look at Kenya.
Remember the time Hellen Sambili rebuffed attempts to name Nyayo stadium Coca Cola? The reason was sovereignty,heritage and all sorts of crap. There was a debate here on wazua,and some people argued how renaming the stadium coca cola would be tantamount to selling our sovereignty,our heritage,our dignity,colonization they said.
How stupid! There we lost a good chance of having a state of the art stadium.
What is that heritage sambili was protecting? Run down facility? Stupidity? If people had thought without fear/emotion,they would have seen that , we were not losing anything, we were to gain.
Heritage is having a good stadium which develops world class sportsmen. NOT having a stadium retain Nyayo as its name. That's NOT patriotism/heritage/sovereignty.
That's having a colonized mind.
Otherwise we can chase every foreign investor, and wallow in want,making do with our taxes and take several times longer, to cover the same dev't we would have,if we engaged the ones with the capital.
Rational thinking devoid of fear/emotion is the magical key.


Applause Applause Applause

Thank you for enlightening me, i agree with you. Your sentiments are well thought out. Don't get me wrong, am for the the developments hook, line & sinker - its about time but guess am just not too comfortable with these pacts & you think these pple love us reason we're getting the projects funded 100%?
Build your own dreams, or someone else will hire you to build theirs - Farrah Gray.
alma
#39 Posted : Saturday, March 31, 2012 10:49:48 AM
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d'oh! d'oh!
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
a4architect.com
#40 Posted : Saturday, March 31, 2012 10:53:55 AM
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young wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:
@young..now that you mentioned you come form the Niger Delta, what in your opinion is the cause of Nigeria producing millions of barrels per day yet over 70% of its population live on less than 1 usd per day?



CORRUPTION.
It has nothing to do from where in Nigeria I come from.


Asante...So in Kenya the animal we should all look out for is corruption.
The easiest way to deal with corruption is through making detailed laws that allow for open public scrutiny of oil deals.
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