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New NHIF rates now see wazuans losing Kes,2,000 p.m.
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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 Is it fair to now charge the wazua mindro krass 2000 shillings up from 350??? This is unfare. But judicial activism has now ruled in favor of this. Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/29/2006 Posts: 2,570
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Link please? The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 608 Location: Ruiru
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http://allafrica.com/stories/201203290022.html
Effective 01-Apr-2012, new NHIF rates will be as follows; Gross Income-------NHIF Contribution < 6K---------------150 6K to 8K-----------300 8k to 12k----------400 12k to 15k---------500 15k to 20k---------600 20k to 25k---------750 25k to 30k---------850 30k to 50k---------1,000 50k to 100k--------1,500 >100k--------------2,000 Self Employed------500 Unemployed---------0 "..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/9/2009 Posts: 2,003
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I am torn in between.
At one hand, I find this creating a socialistic system. But on the other hand our healthcare is rotten. Will this increase translate to improved healthcare?
By the way, why is unelected body given the powers to impose charges/deduction on the public?
Interestingly the scheme is unwanted by most of the working class while as NHIF claims it's intended to help them.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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GGK wrote:http://allafrica.com/stories/201203290022.html
Effective 01-Apr-2012, new NHIF rates will be as follows;
Gross Income-------NHIF Contribution
< 6K---------------150
6K to 8K-----------300
8k to 12k----------400
12k to 15k---------500
15k to 20k---------600
20k to 25k---------750
25k to 30k---------850
30k to 50k---------1,000
50k to 100k--------1,500
>100k--------------2,000
Self Employed------500
Unemployed---------0 Surely?  Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 608 Location: Ruiru
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radio wrote:I am torn in between.
At one hand, I find this creating a socialistic system. But on the other hand our healthcare is rotten. Will this increase translate to improved healthcare?
By the way, why is unelected body given the powers to impose charges/deduction on the public?
Interestingly the scheme is unwanted by most of the working class while as NHIF claims it's intended to help them. NHIF is established by an act of parliament...so your representatives had an input. Unfortunately, Kenyans dont have an option unless the law is changed "..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 608 Location: Ruiru
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Impunity wrote:GGK wrote:http://allafrica.com/stories/201203290022.html
Effective 01-Apr-2012, new NHIF rates will be as follows;
Gross Income-------NHIF Contribution
< 6K---------------150
6K to 8K-----------300
8k to 12k----------400
12k to 15k---------500
15k to 20k---------600
20k to 25k---------750
25k to 30k---------850
30k to 50k---------1,000
50k to 100k--------1,500
>100k--------------2,000
Self Employed------500
Unemployed---------0 Surely? Exactly... where would they get the money from?  "..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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GGK wrote:Impunity wrote:GGK wrote:http://allafrica.com/stories/201203290022.html
Effective 01-Apr-2012, new NHIF rates will be as follows;
Gross Income-------NHIF Contribution
< 6K---------------150
6K to 8K-----------300
8k to 12k----------400
12k to 15k---------500
15k to 20k---------600
20k to 25k---------750
25k to 30k---------850
30k to 50k---------1,000
50k to 100k--------1,500
>100k--------------2,000
Self Employed------500
Unemployed---------0 Surely? Exactly... where would they get the money from? 2,000 from my meagre earning simply means a reduction in SinTertainment: Less bottles and fewer mbuzi to die by my name. Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2007 Posts: 1,162
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For this kind of money, what services will NHIF offer in return? If I pay kes 2000 per month, does that entitle me for more than one who pays 150 kes?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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majimaji wrote:
For this kind of money, what services will NHIF offer in return? If I pay kes 2000 per month, does that entitle me for more than one who pays 150 kes?
This is quit unreasonable; even the 320 shilling they have been collecting they havent shown how they have been using it, in fact they return billions annually to the exchequer! Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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You are in the privileged group that earns more than 100,000 bob per month. Your worries are not on the basics of life but entertainment! Thank God for that.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/10/2010 Posts: 281 Location: Nairobi
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NHIF needs to employ doctors and nurses. Sponsor needy medical students and build hospitals. This is one of those parastatals that lack a development minded vision. They collect billions, the claims are in the millions yet there is nothing much to show for it's excess.
It will be interesting to see how they differentiate the self employed from the unemployed.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/11/2008 Posts: 401
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The way I understand it was that the 320/- got you a bed rebate of 1,700/- per day for inpatient. Using the law of proportions the proposed 2,000/- should get you a rebate of 10,625/- only it doesn't.
Why you ask?
Well in theory the new rates will allow NHIF to offer outpatient cover as well. Great you say... the issue is that the where, how and who has not been communicated to the public.
So it looks like the policy is let's get the money first then we'll figure out how to offer the outpatient cover later.
P.S. if I'm self-employed but make less than 12K per month, what amount am I supposed to remit?
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/11/2008 Posts: 401
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madhaquer wrote:NHIF needs to employ doctors and nurses. Sponsor needy medical students and build hospitals. NHIF would need to change its terms of reference to achieve what you've suggested above. The issues you are raising are as a result of the bodies charged with these responsibilities failing to fulfil their mandates. NHIF should work within the existing framework so that I can obtain outpatient facilities at both public and private hospital using my NHIF card similar to the cards issued by private HMOs. Do we as a country have adequate infrastructure to accommodate this initiative... probably not; but we must start somewhere.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 1,491 Location: Nairobi
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NHIF should first inform us how much money they collect annually and their expenditure. I sense someone is waiting to be rich. Kenya ni yetu sisi sote
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/4/2008 Posts: 1,289 Location: Nairobi
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This is a tax. We cannot ask them what they do with the money just like government tax. Insurance companies operate under IRB and NHIF should be made to operate under same rules and regulated by IRB to ensure service delivery
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/13/2011 Posts: 660
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how will nhif determine one is unemployed?
i know many self employed people who make way more than 100k monthly. they will pay just 500 shs, same as someone earning between 12-15k monthly
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 608 Location: Ruiru
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theman192000 wrote:
P.S. if I'm self-employed but make less than 12K per month, what amount am I supposed to remit?
If you are self employed, you pay 500/=irrespective of what you make per month "..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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NHIF is not doing enough to make this new plan acceptable among Kenyans. They should market it to make it more palatable among Kenyans. Should some other concession for taxpayers be given? Maybe tax relief?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/25/2010 Posts: 939 Location: Nai
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what will NHIF Cover all sicknesses? What is the Limit for the cover?
will we have to access all hospitals in kenya?
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