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Kenya airways Right Issue
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#101 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2012 11:13:47 AM
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Demand a paltry 7K, most at 13.50 against 1.22M shares on the supply side!
You must feel for the guys already locked in.
Even more, you must ask yourself if the rights which should start trading in the market will have a negative or positive value!
This one i will watch from the periphery!
@SufficientlyP
jerry
#102 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2012 3:48:06 PM
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Should they stop the rights altogether and cite non-approval by UG&TZ?smile
The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
mlennyma
#103 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:48:55 PM
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It will be very hard to convince tz given that the price at market is at level with intended rights and the worst yet to come.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
githundi
#104 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2012 5:26:18 PM
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
Demand a paltry 7K, most at 13.50 against 1.22M shares on the supply side!
You must feel for the guys already locked in.
Even more, you must ask yourself if the rights which should start trading in the market will have a negative or positive value!
This one i will watch from the periphery!

Same thoughts,after *rights* issue if in bears, other things remaining constant this share will trade sub 10.
Democracy does not belong to the dead
jerry
#105 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2012 5:39:38 PM
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githundi wrote:
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
Demand a paltry 7K, most at 13.50 against 1.22M shares on the supply side!
You must feel for the guys already locked in.
Even more, you must ask yourself if the rights which should start trading in the market will have a negative or positive value!
This one i will watch from the periphery!

Same thoughts,after *rights* issue if in bears, other things remaining constant this share will trade sub 10.

I rem buying IPO at 11.25 only to dispose later at 7.80(at a loss!). We might be ending there.
The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
QW25091985
#106 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2012 5:41:25 PM
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Woi . this one is goin to the dogs !
2012
#107 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2012 5:47:04 PM
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QW25091985 wrote:
Woi . this one is goin to the dogs !


Going or already there?

BBI will solve it
:)
Aguytrying
#108 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2012 6:44:29 PM
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The period of greatest pessimism has come faster than I thought
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obiero
#109 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2012 6:56:09 PM
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cant touch this!!! DOA [dead on arrival]

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
StatMeister
#110 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:39:37 PM
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> KQ = Britank
> KQ = 14 * Britank (Current / IPO)
> KQ = 4.3 / 9 * 14 = 6.7
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VituVingiSana
#111 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2012 9:59:56 PM
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guru267 wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
The planes should be able to service the debt.


The directors must be factoring in stable oil prices and stable ticket prices..

What happens when competition brings ticket prices down and global demand drives oil prices up??

What about austerity in Europe??

All plans have assumptions.

KK 'projects' sales volumes yet if oil jumps to $200 then the sales (volume) will drop as people drive less, fly less, etc.

Insurance firms 'project' premiums received & payments made. Multiple car accidents, a new disease, etc can increase payments beyond income.

Likewise, KQ 'projects' but who knows what will happen? If KES had jumped to 150/- as many predicted then KQ would make much more in KES but now KES is back to 83/-
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
itz
#112 Posted : Wednesday, March 21, 2012 12:52:09 AM
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itz wrote:
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
Today up 4 percent. From yesterdays close. Don't expect the major shareholders to watch it go to 14.00 lol.

This one belongs to sub 10.
Hope we don't get here before the new shares start trading!
For the speculators, please keep off! And this you can take to the bank!


Let the people who want to be heroes keep buying KQ.i have been saying this since the share was 30+ when they announced plans to do a rights issue.This is a massive dilution.Going back to under 10 and it will be hard to move this shares up.Airlines just like utilities(kengen,kplc,part of transcentury) require alot of capital to run.


you were all warned.wait for under 10 shortly
mlennyma
#113 Posted : Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:01:02 AM
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Is there any fool willing to buy rights at 14 when the market offers the same cheaper??is there any careless underwriter who is still willing to burn fingers here?
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kyt
#114 Posted : Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:40:19 AM
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i think that kq goofed a lot in this one, you feel for the shareholders a lot
LOVE WHAT YOU DO, DO WHAT YOU LOVE.
mlennyma
#115 Posted : Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:55:19 AM
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This kq's plan should see the ceo kicked out,its the beginning of bankrupsy
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
guru267
#116 Posted : Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:58:10 AM
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kyt wrote:
i think that kq goofed a lot in this one, you feel for the shareholders a lot


Citibank must be now PRAYING for an oversubscription so that they only have to take their underwriting fees and bounce...
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Wondergirl
#117 Posted : Wednesday, March 21, 2012 12:50:09 PM
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guru267 wrote:
kyt wrote:
i think that kq goofed a lot in this one, you feel for the shareholders a lot


Citibank must be now PRAYING for an oversubscription so that they only have to take their underwriting fees and bounce...

I predict that there will be massive under subscription by the shareholders save only for the gorvenment and KLM.
The rights are too many,maiking it too expensive for such an uncertain venture.
the deal
#118 Posted : Wednesday, March 21, 2012 1:38:54 PM
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Talking is a waste of time, what you should be doing is looking for an entry point...they're not raising cash to eat...they're raising cash to buy assets.
hisah
#119 Posted : Wednesday, March 21, 2012 3:27:36 PM
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I don't envy citibank as the underwriter with the share price currently on a nosedive ready to dip below 14. If the rights are under-subscribed heavily (most likely esp wanjikus) it won't be funny. At this point PPT should be stick saving the price plunge. This is quite an interesting scenario for the KQ rights. I can't recall a share that dipped below the rights price before on NSE - @vvs, @mukiha, @njunge - anyone recall this...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
mkeiy
#120 Posted : Wednesday, March 21, 2012 3:38:03 PM
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the deal wrote:
Talking is a waste of time, what you should be doing is looking for an entry point...they're not raising cash to eat...they're raising cash to buy assets.


What are you saying? People should stop discussing KQ? I got a good shave on them before i bounced but that's not reason to make me bitter.

Let people talk, it breaks no bone and it ain't profanity.
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