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TAX ISSUE
madebe
#1 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2012 3:46:12 PM
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what would happen if a limited company sells lands and distribute the cash from the land . do they pay dividend tax and ati sijui compensating tax ama what. please tax experts nisaidieni juu watu washalipwa pesa na hawawesi rudisha
Thiong'o
#2 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2012 5:06:57 PM
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See attached doc on taxes/rates.

http://www.taxrates.cc/html/kenya-tax-rates.html

Capital gains are not taxable in Kenya.

I think the distributions to members (shareholders) in this case are dividend and hence taxable.

Gordon Gekko
#3 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2012 6:50:09 PM
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When a company sells a building, like Williamson did, the gains made are recognised as income, but for CORPORATE TAX purposes are deducted from other 'normal' income and the remainder is taxed.

When PAT (profit after tax) is distributed to shareholders, the distributing company is obliged to with hold 5% (10% for non-residents) at source.

The shareholder is not subject to any other tax as this withholding tax is considered final.

To cut the long story short, any distributed profits from whatever source is subject to w/h taxx.
Tommy
#4 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:30:18 PM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
When a company sells a building, like Williamson did, the gains made are recognised as income, but for CORPORATE TAX purposes are deducted from other 'normal' income and the remainder is taxed.

When PAT (profit after tax) is distributed to shareholders, the distributing company is obliged to with hold 5% (10% for non-residents) at source.

The shareholder is not subject to any other tax as this withholding tax is considered final.

To cut the long story short, any distributed profits from whatever source is subject to w/h taxx.

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chiaroscuro
#5 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:43:15 PM
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But if it has done improvements to the land, then I don't think it is capital gains any more, thus corporation taxe would have to apply at 30%
madebe
#6 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2012 9:58:58 PM
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our accountant/auditor reckons that since we are distributing profit that was taxed we are liable to compensating tax bla bla . that we need to remove the selling price from the cost and tax it at 30%.

witholding tax, we were ready to pay before this cropped up.
Gordon Gekko
#7 Posted : Wednesday, March 21, 2012 7:19:28 AM
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Compensating Tax is paid when the company doesn't distribute a dividend, or distributes less than it ought to.

Because of not distributing a dividend, the taxman doesn't get the withholding tax due from it, therefore he charges a Compensating Tax on the company.

However, a company can appeal against a Compensating Tax charge if they have no liquid cash, are involved in a major capital project, have loans to pay etc.
sparkly
#8 Posted : Wednesday, March 21, 2012 9:18:46 AM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
Compensating Tax is paid when the company doesn't distribute a dividend, or distributes less than it ought to.

Because of not distributing a dividend, the taxman doesn't get the withholding tax due from it, therefore he charges a Compensating Tax on the company.

However, a company can appeal against a Compensating Tax charge if they have no liquid cash, are involved in a major capital project, have loans to pay etc.



@GG what you have just described is deemed dividend under Section 24 of the Income Tax Act.

Compensating tax arises when a company distributes profits that were not subjected to corporation tax. This is under section 7A of the Income Tax Act.

@madebe drop me an email with the details at sparkly99@ovi.com and i will let you know if compensating tax is due.
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madebe
#9 Posted : Thursday, March 22, 2012 9:48:36 AM
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sparky,

we bought land as a group for 3 million and sold it for 9 million. we want to break the group and share the 6 million amongs 10 people. each person gets 6oo k. we can pay withholding tax at 5% consindering the 600k ad dividend, but are we liable to pay 30% of the 6 million profit before we divide the money?
Gordon Gekko
#10 Posted : Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:33:54 AM
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@sparkly, thanks for the correction.

@madebe, capital gains are not subject to 30% tax, but dividends are subject to w/h tax. I'm not sure however how distribution from voluntary liquidation ('you want to break the group') is treated.
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