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British MP says West plotting Raila win
otienosmall
#1 Posted : Sunday, March 18, 2012 2:55:26 PM
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Looks like the leaked dossier was not farfetched…

http://www.nation.co.ke/...2/-/bc6cm8/-/index.html
B.Timer
#2 Posted : Sunday, March 18, 2012 3:23:11 PM
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All indications are that the British MP could be /one of/the chief architect of the forgery.

It seems the overflowing Uhuru affluence has been poured to buy anybody who allows themselves to be bought.

One needs to read through the article objectively to discern the obvious - a hired brain of a British Mp.


ICC may act firmly over these shenanigans. Uhuru may have to bear the cross on behalf of his hirelings!

This would only happen if Uhuru does not play as per plan i.e give all future ICC court appearances a miss.
Dunia ni msongamano..
Lucid_Iam
#3 Posted : Sunday, March 18, 2012 6:00:27 PM
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This letter is not a forgery, its leaked and that is why London has to send an emissary to Kibaki. William Hague last visit to Nairobi and his comments on ICC were also too telling. If you believe the letter was fake due to grammatical errors then I can not try convince you why its not, but as a try, let me say having grammatical error is an intelligence tactic employed to create grounds to reject the document if and when it leaks.

Also let me recommend a book to you, read Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins and you will understand how world powers operate.
harrydre
#4 Posted : Sunday, March 18, 2012 8:21:24 PM
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he he he hatutaki west puppets!
i.am.back!!!!
josiah33
#5 Posted : Sunday, March 18, 2012 8:27:00 PM
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Well! i don't know what to think now.
masukuma
#6 Posted : Sunday, March 18, 2012 8:57:36 PM
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let's face it, the brits are not good guys!! they look after their own interests and their diminishing clout in african affairs is not celebrated in london. consider the wrath african heads of state reacted to the brit's imposition of gay rights, telling the UK leadership off and some in defiance passing into law the ban of same sex sexual relations. we need to recognize that their presence in africa's affairs not a magnanimous, philanthropic nor benevolent. the first country to industrialize must not be thrilled to be the 'has been' kingdom, think about it - what was the last thing u heard that was done in the UK? The UK has just been overtaken by Brazil in terms of economy size, they are diminishing in global clout - and they know it.
The truth is - this whole escapade will be a new experience for kenyans and the ICC (and its masters who think these are the 60s-70s - kenyans are much wiser and have access to more information, its a new AFRICA).
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masukuma
#7 Posted : Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:02:11 PM
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Hunderwear
#8 Posted : Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:19:19 PM
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B.Timer wrote:

All indications are that the British MP could be /one of/the chief architect of the forgery.

It seems the overflowing Uhuru affluence has been poured to buy anybody who allows themselves to be bought.

One needs to read through the article objectively to discern the obvious - a hired brain of a British Mp.


ICC may act firmly over these shenanigans. Uhuru may have to bear the cross on behalf of his hirelings!

This would only happen if Uhuru does not play as per plan i.e give all future ICC court appearances a miss.


You are so ignorant of international politics...U think US and UK can fund the ICC for your justice?THink again!!!!
essyk
#9 Posted : Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:57:15 PM
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The UK has just been overtaken by Brazil in terms of economy size, they are diminishing in global clout - and they know it.
The truth is - this whole escapade will be a new experience for kenyans and the ICC (and its masters who think these are the 60s-70s - kenyans are much wiser and have access to more information, its a new AFRICA).


I just love people who talk like this.
There's a mad scramble for Africa.
I said some time last year that one leader in Kenya is the West's puppet.Each African country has a puppet.He could be a rebel,an opposition or in goverment.Either way his represents the west's interest and has full support.The thing I hate about puppets is the way they are used to destabilise a goverment that refuses to dance to the west's tunes.
Its sad how we get used and dumped.I hope Africans rise up to defend their own or else I see history repeating itself.
Whatever.peace!
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murchr
#10 Posted : Sunday, March 18, 2012 11:28:36 PM
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Lucid_Iam wrote:
This letter is not a forgery, its leaked and that is why London has to send an emissary to Kibaki. William Hague last visit to Nairobi and his comments on ICC were also too telling. If you believe the letter was fake due to grammatical errors then I can not try convince you why its not, but as a try, let me say having grammatical error is an intelligence tactic employed to create grounds to reject the document if and when it leaks.

Also let me recommend a book to you, read Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins and you will understand how world powers operate.



Well said...All documents that are classified as SECRET have an element of grammatical errors so that when they leak out they can easily be disputed. Even the documents belonging to the FBI that have been exposed have that element.
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masukuma
#11 Posted : Sunday, March 18, 2012 11:30:23 PM
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actually if u ask me, we are not to pembeleza them, any forward looking person can see that Africa is the final frontier for direct investiment. but wacha wadanganywe na CNN as we dig in and build internal resources before the mainstream Europeans and Americans discover this place. wacha wakae hivyo.
http://www.tradeinvestafrica.com/news/769079.htm
an intresting fact - china and india have more poor people that the total population of Africa.
India alone has more people underpoverty than those in sub-Saharan Africa - but they don't tell their story that way http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10609407
we always think of india as a place of technology, software giants e.t.c.
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poundfoolish
#12 Posted : Monday, March 19, 2012 10:28:37 AM
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"The I.C.C. must never be an instrument that can fuel the potential for division. And where the court intervenes it must be an exemplar of justice at its best, with standards that are above question. This has not always been the case: The Kenyan case rests on a main witness who has changed his statements several times, and is under a witness protection plan partly funded by the British government, which has publicly supported the trial. This has fueled the erroneous belief among some Kenyans that the Western powers that fund the court are seeking to divide and rule the country themselves."

http://www.nytimes.com/2...ional-justice.html?_r=1

Daily Nations reporter/writer
A member of the British Parliament has accused the International Criminal Court (ICC) of being used by foreign governments — including his own — to clear the way for Prime Minister Raila Odinga to ascend to power.

If you ask me the Nation Media writer starts his article at a sensational note and puts forward his own interpretation of the article by the British MP.. he should have pasted it on Nation and let people interprate it for themsleves..

The MP's article is very balanced and genuine.. but nothing close to "Britain is clearing the way for RAO"
Jaluo
#13 Posted : Monday, March 19, 2012 12:32:04 PM
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@ poundfoolish Applause Applause Applause Applause

Some objectivity at last! Phew !

People are so blinded by their tribal goggles that they have developed selective reading, selective hearing , selective sight and selective thinking.

Pole Kwetu...ati Kenyans

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Robinhood
#14 Posted : Monday, March 19, 2012 1:40:06 PM
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masukuma wrote:
ukitaka kujua mwenye mbwa mpige mbwa yule


Kuna ngiti wone mwene. Haha
Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
essyk
#15 Posted : Monday, March 19, 2012 2:17:52 PM
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: The Kenyan case rests on a main witness who has changed his statements several times, and is under a witness protection plan partly funded by the British government, which has publicly supported the trial.


Wont talk much but that just confirmed an article I read some time back.ICC seriously needs funds.
Previous cases have emptied their accounts.

Unless the UK is the biggest donor here and is really on this case,I see no wahala.

whatever!.
"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
mkeiy
#16 Posted : Monday, March 19, 2012 2:38:46 PM
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poundfoolish wrote:
"The I.C.C. must never be an instrument that can fuel the potential for division. And where the court intervenes it must be an exemplar of justice at its best, with standards that are above question. This has not always been the case: The Kenyan case rests on a main witness who has changed his statements several times, and is under a witness protection plan partly funded by the British government, which has publicly supported the trial. This has fueled the erroneous belief among some Kenyans that the Western powers that fund the court are seeking to divide and rule the country themselves."

http://www.nytimes.com/2...ional-justice.html?_r=1

Daily Nations reporter/writer
A member of the British Parliament has accused the International Criminal Court (ICC) of being used by foreign governments — including his own — to clear the way for Prime Minister Raila Odinga to ascend to power.

If you ask me the Nation Media writer starts his article at a sensational note and puts forward his own interpretation of the article by the British MP.. he should have pasted it on Nation and let people interprate it for themsleves..

The MP's article is very balanced and genuine.. but nothing close to "Britain is clearing the way for RAO"


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