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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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I am no supporter of Raila, but Raila just said what needed to be said... well, not straight to jail because there has to be trials, but if you have issues to sort out with ICC, please go ahead and sort them out... If you are innocent, you are innocent and you will come back white as snow...... These "prayer meetings" are just vehicles being used to play victims and earn some sympathy votes (knowing how "much" sympathetic we Kenyans are!). But that remains a fact..... its Hague Express, when innocent, we welcome you back with open arms!
Ruto is on record calling the ICC process "a conspiracy". What conspiracy? He voted against a local tribunal when Mutula was killing himself trying to convince him and his "strong pigs supporters" otherwise? Its in public dormain who voted for and against these processes! What did he expect? That it was somebody else in that envelop? Sometimes i ask myself, if it was "Ruto's" supporter, would he be singing the same song? if it was RAO, would it still be a "conspiracy" or would it be "justice"? And who handed the envelop to Koffi and to ICC?
IMHO, If anyone has a case to answer, let them go deal with it... if Ruto and Uhuru have pending cases at the ICC, let them go sort them out first. That's exactly what Raila meant - perhaps the "unpopular" extension that if they are guilty, they may as well be serving their jail term - which didn't go down very well! But all the same, that fact remains, they are "suspects"..... let them go clear themselves first and stop playing victims of some imaginary RAO Conspiracy!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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@Jaluo, I hear you. @Wendz as a veteran blogger, I'd think you of all people would have learned from the 2007-2008 violence.
Statesmen unify. If you don't think Mr Raila's call for his closest competition Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto be jailed is polarising the nation at this time of transition and violent geo-ethnic politics, I rest my case.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/14/2007 Posts: 4,152
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@ Wendy.....Let's not pretend that RAO is only seeking justice for the PEV, this is all about the General elections. Like WR keeps saying RAO has no moral authority to say who should go to the Hague because as far as some of us are concerned he should also be there. Why should he call for the arrest of Uhuruto, they've not been proven guilty yet and they done everything the ICC has told them to do. The ICC has not issued any warrant of arrest, why are you calling for their arrest.
As per the latest opinion polls on Presidential candidates, UK is one of leading contenders which means a big number of KENYANS believe in him. RAO, as a Presidential candidate himself cannot call for the arrest of his rivals just because he feels they are getting sympathy votes from Kenyans. There are times when silence has the loudest voice. For once i think RAO ameshikwa na wasi wasi.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/6/2010 Posts: 594
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Wendz wrote:I am no supporter of Raila, but Raila just said what needed to be said... well, not straight to jail because there has to be trials, but if you have issues to sort out with ICC, please go ahead and sort them out... If you are innocent, you are innocent and you will come back white as snow...... And that is the point, if history defines a man, let us use the same history to understand the pig. The pig enslaved the monkey for years (Niggers are evidence) the pigs colonized the monkey for years after taking its land and forced it to work on the same farm (Former colonies exist as evidence). Finally, when the monkey could not take it anymore, the pig appointed a black pig to preside over the monkey so that the monkey could not protest when it was forced to produce what it does not consume and consume what it does not produce. So, you produce coffee but drink guiness although the monkey knows how to brew beer and roast coffee. (Evidence - Treaty made before the colonies could be given independence entailed the former colony remaining royal to the colonial masters and ensuring the colonial corporate establishments were protected. Did you know Ivorian presidents have always paid rent to France for using the presidential palace? Did you know until the other day, cutting down a coffee/tea tree was illegal in Kenya?). ICC process right now is targeting Uhuru Kenyatta. The pigs do not even care if Ruto will be convicted. All they want is to ensure Uhuru does not stand for presidency as he knows more about them and their conniving ways. Once the black pig gets to power, the monkeys are done. And that is the picture many Kenyans seem not to have grasped, courtesy of the British Education system we inherited from them and designed to keep us ignorant. If you think any education is everything, compare Kenyan and Thai Curriculum? You will be shocked.  "One man gives freely, yet gains even more; another withholds unduly, but comes to poverty. A generous man will prosper; he who refreshes others will himself be refreshed." Rev Canon Karanja.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/24/2011 Posts: 407 Location: Nairobi,Kenya
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Insurgent wrote:Wendz wrote:I am no supporter of Raila, but Raila just said what needed to be said... well, not straight to jail because there has to be trials, but if you have issues to sort out with ICC, please go ahead and sort them out... If you are innocent, you are innocent and you will come back white as snow...... And that is the point, if history defines a man, let us use the same history to understand the pig. The pig enslaved the monkey for years (Niggers are evidence) the pigs colonized the monkey for years after taking its land and forced it to work on the same farm (Former colonies exist as evidence). Finally, when the monkey could not take it anymore, the pig appointed a black pig to preside over the monkey so that the monkey could not protest when it was forced to produce what it does not consume and consume what it does not produce. So, you produce coffee but drink guiness although the monkey knows how to brew beer and roast coffee. (Evidence - Treaty made before the colonies could be given independence entailed the former colony remaining royal to the colonial masters and ensuring the colonial corporate establishments were protected. Did you know Ivorian presidents have always paid rent to France for using the presidential palace? Did you know until the other day, cutting down a coffee/tea tree was illegal in Kenya?). ICC process right now is targeting Uhuru Kenyatta. The pigs do not even care if Ruto will be convicted. All they want is to ensure Uhuru does not stand for presidency as he knows more about them and their conniving ways. Once the black pig gets to power, the monkeys are done. And that is the picture many Kenyans seem not to have grasped, courtesy of the British Education system we inherited from them and designed to keep us ignorant. If you think any education is everything, compare Kenyan and Thai Curriculum? You will be shocked. So ..what do you propose? maybe you can enlighten us more on why 'they' are targeting Uhuru Kenyatta.who are 'they'??also please also avoid generalising ...'many kenyans'?? do you have any scientific proof to show that ,'many kenyans seem not to have grasped...........'?? Hope is not a strategy
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Rank: User Joined: 8/6/2010 Posts: 594
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sanity wrote:
So ..what do you propose? maybe you can enlighten us more on why 'they' are targeting Uhuru Kenyatta.who are 'they'??also please also avoid generalising ...'many kenyans'?? do you have any scientific proof to show that ,'many kenyans seem not to have grasped...........'??
'Many Kenyans' - Scientifically speaking means more than 1000 with the average number not being aware of the political reality in Kenya and around the world. Many well educated Kenyans I have had an opportunity to discuss with on the effect of the European (American) slave trade, colonization and neo colonization end up thanking me for enlightening them on issues they were not aware of although the evidence has always been there all along. They say, "Its like removing a veil over my eyes as am now able to see where the rain started beating us and what we should do to overcome the misfortune we find ourselves in". Some of these Kenyans are graduates and my Seminars are sought frequently. I issue evaluation forms after each seminar to get feed back and thus a basic idea of what many Kenyans know on that front is evident. Who are 'they'. If you cannot figure out who 'they' are by now, don't worry, they have already gotten the better of you. So, work out who 'they' are and you might see the light eventually. "One man gives freely, yet gains even more; another withholds unduly, but comes to poverty. A generous man will prosper; he who refreshes others will himself be refreshed." Rev Canon Karanja.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/13/2009 Posts: 1,950 Location: in kenya
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Raila has just taken advantage of the situation which invariably was created by the suspects.. walijikaanga na mafuta yao wenyewe Every sane Kenyan wants some of the suspects jailed. '......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/5/2009 Posts: 597
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ecstacy wrote:@Jaluo, I hear you. @Wendz as a veteran blogger, I'd think you of all people would have learned from the 2007-2008 violence.
Statesmen unify. If you don't think Mr Raila's call for his closest competition Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto be jailed is polarising the nation at this time of transition and violent geo-ethnic politics, I rest my case.
Hey please let all of us be sober, while we are busy calling Raila all maner of names,plotting all manner of scandles him being the good Kihii should smile en say thank you. I do not support the kind of politics shapping up from both side Raila/Uhuruto but coz they are politicians they both have a right to respond whenever they feel offended or stepped on. It seams cool when Raila is on the receiving end en whenever he responds back he becomes a polarizer of kenya. While the ICC issue was within the mpigs domain to decide for local tribunal they (Mpigs) shouted lets us go to the hague. If our memory don't fail us Raila en Kibaki pleaded for a local tribunal. How comes now Raila is the skimmer behind the ICC. It has been said Raila and the UK are planning for Uhuruto to be detained at the hague, among the defence lawyers of Ocampo4 are Uk citizens, could they be futhering their nations interest in the name of defending our people yet they are just sell outs? I could ask nowonder the numerous fails on their part yet they are being paid alot for their services. my two cents. The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts while the stupid ones are full of confidence
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Rank: User Joined: 8/6/2010 Posts: 594
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So ..what do you propose? maybe you can enlighten us more on why 'they' are targeting Uhuru Kenyatta.[color=red] ]So ..what do you propose? This is one of our greatest undoing. Someone gives you food for thought and you ask him, 'What do you propose'. If you finally discover that working with the pigs will not end well with you (After learning from history what the consequences are bound to be) do I need to propose to you a solution? Only spoon feed kids should ask such a question cauze they have no capacity to think how to deal with an evident problem. Such kids are evidence of the faulty education system the pigs bestowed on us. why 'they' are targeting Uhuru Kenyatta So that they can put in place their preferred black pig. A pig that would ensure the monkeys are born with a 40k loan on their heads and die having accumulated more loans for future generations to carry. Uhuru is likely to follow Kibaki's policy of not giving a hoot about the pigs when it comes to the burdensome loans. He would go with what makes economic sense. (An economist will remain one for life). Have you ever thought how stupid it is to be trading with your former Master who had enslaved you? And we claim to be proud members of 'the common wealth'. Which common wealth are we talking about here? "One man gives freely, yet gains even more; another withholds unduly, but comes to poverty. A generous man will prosper; he who refreshes others will himself be refreshed." Rev Canon Karanja.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/14/2007 Posts: 4,152
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QD wrote:
While the ICC issue was within the mpigs domain to decide for local tribunal they (Mpigs) shouted lets us go to the hague. If our memory don't fail us Raila en Kibaki pleaded for a local tribunal. How comes now Raila is the skimmer behind the ICC.
I think its good to point out that UK and WR voted against the Hague. Ocampo killed all the confidence i had in the ICC. If RAO "pleaded" for a local tribunal what made him change his mind....why is he not advocating for the same thing now? Uhuruto are set to stand trial at the Hague, why don't you just keep quiet and let the law take its course.
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