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Lolest! wrote:YesuWangu wrote:
You should know there is a difference between ones' character and ones' possessions. That will stop you from making useless comparisons.
Character cannot be transferred from one person to another. Goods can. Lands can.
Here we go again! This has all the makings of a personal attack. Did you see this? kyt wrote:its called condemnation by representation @  , mtoto wa nyoka ni nyoka. even children from abusive marriages are likely to turn out the same #uhuru found the land, its public land, can he correct the sins of his father? swala nyeti hiyo!! What @ kyt is saying here is that Jomo was a thief thus Uhuru is a thief also. That you are guilty of your father's sin. He even brought in the issue of children from abusive marriages! @ ..... you've stretched the truth there... my English teacher never taught me that... "likely" means there is a "high possibility" and not "absolute" which is what your sentence says contrary to what @kyt had said..... but that is neither here nor there....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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keraka wrote:The irony of this story is that pple tend to bealive Ruto bought the land from one Yator.Grabbing 101 says ;when you grab dont appear to be the first party,but make things appear as if a transaction took place.
The problem is, he has experience in these tacts. Remember NSSF land saga? Thing is, no matter how much he goes singing how they are going to "transform this country", we can only judge him by his past..... and the past does not look very bright.... Now, if we are going to trust Uhuru (assuming he is as clean as we are made to understand on this thread) then, they are going to "transform" this country together.... as "youths"! Do we expect Kenyatta to raise a finger if Ruto continues with the sagas he has? We do not... Why? Because he owes him the allegiance of having contributed to him being at the House on the Hills! So what country do we expect? You guessed right, the "baba's" country where the whole country stunk to the high heavens... If you are living with a crook in the same house, and you are witnessing him steal and you do nothing, then how can i come and bring my savings to you for safe keeping? Ties them together! If Kenyatta is clean, he should hang out with "clean" people, then may be we can say that he can be "trust"... well, even that little tinny bit of "trust"...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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McReggae wrote:mkeiy wrote:Kenyatta was the president with powers to allocate public land. He allocated himself huge swathes of land. The least UK can do is start attempting to correct his father's misdeed. His siblings are not on Tv every night talking of "building a just,prosperous" Kenya for all. It's UK i see on UK, it's UK to start walking his talk. The reason why some people in Taita are squatters is coz the land they would have owned,belongs to Kenyatta.
UK got to start "correcting" his dad.
Otherwise all is hypocrisy perfected. Nobody wanan listen to that, the prince must be protected yet we the IDP's want their RV land back!!!! @mkeiy's argument is the closest we have come to making a fair criticism of UK after Jaluo's replies. The Kenyatta land issue is one of the worst things in Kenya's history. While it is far fetched to blame UK for his father's faults, I think guys here have a point when they say he should return/give some of that land. But, should UK want to return land, he would only return that which is under his name. Then we would still have to deal with land under his other relatives. At this point, those who are attacking UK based on political and tribal reasons and not the genuine search for justice will still accuse him. The search for justice should not just be about IDPs. If the land should be public land, then it should revert to GoK whether we have IDPs or not. Finally, although the link provided is good, I feel it seeks to paint all large land owners in the country in bad light. It implies that if you are a large land owner and you are from some families, some tribes or with some political connection you must have grabbed it!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Wendz wrote:Lolest! wrote:@Jaluo, much respect.  thanks for the info. Do we know how all that land was acquired? The land was taken from the settlement schemes that were supposed to be subdivided to the Mau Mau fighters and other kikuyu's who were in concentration camps.... Since majority did not even know how to read and right and the kenyattas and his cronies were in touch with the happens of the government then, they took advantage and they did not give their counterparts their fair share of the land they fought for! Still, though legal, it was completely immoral! it depends on what you value most. Got no issue with that. Is that how all the land they own was acquired?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/31/2008 Posts: 1,076
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Do we have it on authority that Mzee Kenyatta allocated himself land or are we relying on hearsay and mythycal folklores. Dunia ni msongamano..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Wendz wrote:@ ..... you've stretched the truth there... my English teacher never taught me that... "likely" means there is a "high possibility" and not "absolute" which is what your sentence says contrary to what @kyt had said..... but that is neither here nor there.... Maybe you need to re-read his posts. You will see other proverbs like Mtoto wa nyoka ni nyoka. But this is neither here nor there, I agree.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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B.Timer wrote:
Do we have it on authority that Mzee Kenyatta allocated himself land or are we relying on hearsay and mythycal folklores.
Well, I heard mzee would drive on Thika Rd and tell the dere not to stop till he says so. They would drive upto the point where mzee would order him to stop and then order the commissioner who would be riding with him to grant all that land to Ngina. Hiyo ni ile mimi aliskia, still trying to open Ndung'u land report. I'm sure it has something on Kenyatta's land.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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B.Timer wrote:
Do we have it on authority that Mzee Kenyatta allocated himself land or are we relying on hearsay and mythycal folklores.
You be the first one,tells us.How did he acquire it? Answer that 'on authority" and you will have answered your qn.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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B.Timer wrote:
Do we have it on authority that Mzee Kenyatta allocated himself land or are we relying on hearsay and mythycal folklores.
Ok, how else could he have acquired all the land? In any case, all others (the commoners) were allocated their lands after the mkoloni... The out-roar from the freedom fighters said a lot! If it was a fair distribution, we'd expect say Kimathi to have had similar if not larger piece of land than the kenyattas, not so? All the politically connected and the home guards benefited the most.... @ - it may not be ALL, but most of it. Its the only way you can have such vast pieces of land without having to "displace" anyone! Which means, it was allocated before the others left the concentration camps!
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/26/2009 Posts: 326 Location: Nairobi
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Wendz wrote:B.Timer wrote:
Do we have it on authority that Mzee Kenyatta allocated himself land or are we relying on hearsay and mythycal folklores.
Ok, how else could he have acquired all the land? In any case, all others (the commoners) were allocated their lands after the mkoloni... The out-roar from the freedom fighters said a lot! If it was a fair distribution, we'd expect say Kimathi to have had similar if not larger piece of land than the kenyattas, not so? All the politically connected and the home guards benefited the most.... @ - it may not be ALL, but most of it. Its the only way you can have such vast pieces of land without having to "displace" anyone! Which means, it was allocated before the others left the concentration camps! This world is not fair. But it will by orders from @kyt, @pariah, @wendz et al who sagely decree what kenyatta should do with his land. My unwanted advice is, spend time buying or grabbing yours if you must. Dont covet your neighbor's. I thought @Wendz is a learned friend? Law is not about morality - that is in the domain of religion. No land will be returned on the basis of your preaching - find evidence and present to court. There is so much hatred dispensed in this thread towards UK, WR and to some extent RAO. Needless. Would have thought that supporters of UK/WR would be seducing supporters of RAO with nice smooth words and vice versa. I like wazua.
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