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Jaluo
#61 Posted : Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:47:39 AM
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@ Lolest...soma hii link land , all the land acquisition is detailed; Kenya ina wenyewe, and they are listed there in black and white...those who have eyes and ears, let them hear, those who do not, continue voting tribal......


@ Masukuma

Your vote is a secret between you and the walls of the polling station booth. It is still early days yet and things have just started morphing into shape. Martha Karua may end up not even running for the presidency so you still have to keep your options open. An Obama may yet pop-up and komboa us from the current useless front-runners.

Ukweli usemwe ?....It takes a very demented human being to be happy when ‘’ when Kikuyus were being killed like flies’’.....

Majority Kenyans are very warm and peace loving people who go about their daily business peacefully only focusing on making ends meet in the very tough economic conditions we have in Kenya while maintaining very close and friendly relationship with their neighbors regardless of tribe.

Kenyans VOTE tribe but they do not LIVE tribe.

Talking about squirrels and antelopes; when you see a hyena and two snakes loudly advancing and threatening to destroy you and your neighbor’s livelihood; are you going to bury you head in the sand like an ostrich or are you going to start making loud noises to alert your neighbours of the impeding danger? Their initial focus may be your old sick dog, but after they are done with him they will come after you and your neighbours...

2012 is an epoch defining year for Kenya; It is not a WWF wrestling match for anyone to ‘’ wipe the floor ‘’ with anyone. We are talking about making a decision for prosperity. We will either finally make a clean break with the past and fully implement our new katiba or continue with impunity, assassinations, land grabbing, corruption and the like.


Hiyo ni ukweli
'' The European condemns the Africans for having two wives yet he keeps two mistresses'' - Jomo Kenyatta
pariah
#62 Posted : Wednesday, March 07, 2012 10:04:53 AM
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masukuma wrote:
While I will vote for Martha Karua, but I know that folks like @kyt and @pariah here will not vote for Uhuru or WR (if their names ever show up on the ballot and they were 'clean') this is because land issues, IDPs, ICC, brookside e.t.c. are but squirrels that are thrown on the path to make us loose sight of the antelope.
They are not really unhappy that Uhuru and WR are alleged to have done what they did, they are not really unhappy that land was said to be grabbed, they are not really unhappy that IDPs spend their nights in the cold.
The real reason (the antelope) they are unhappy with the two is solely in the fact that the 2 are able to wipe the floor with their man RAO. if they were really true to themselves and able to tell us the truth - they would confess that they were happy when Kikuyus were being killed like flies in Jan 2008. semeni ukweli tuu. Its ok to have political positions but is insulting when you try to make us believe that the reasons you dislike the 2 men is on principle not by the fact that they seem like the guys who will spoil the party for your man.
tuambiane ukweli - hizo zingine ni excuses tu.


@masukuma you got one thing right, I will not vote for UK and WR not because of the the reasons you drem up. Truth be told i voted for ODM in last elections but I was never happy when people were killed. The arrogance by some 'kikuyus' in such fora is palpable, its not just them that were affected, you forget other people lost family members and property for being associated with PNU too FYI I belong to one of those communities. So get off your high horse masukuma

I do not support WR and UK because of their track record, UK academic records show a barely average performer, his record in public service for the last 10 years do not help his profile either especially performance at treasury. his only qualification is his deified family and his position as muthamaki ni nyomba ya Mumbi. WR for those who care to look at history is a brilliant man. at times I am tempted to think he could be our Kagame but I banish the thought when I look at his record. Land grabbing both from the public and from individuals, YK92, ethnic chauvinism in Rift valley....... but granted i think ICC gave him his Damascus moment and if he were president he could really deliver

Back to who I support, I havent decided yet but it sure aint G7, I may go for Tuju or Martha. But I entirely agree with Jaluo that all current front runners are useless

Now you can get back to defending nyomba ya mumbi, see no evil, hear say no evil


Lolest!
#63 Posted : Wednesday, March 07, 2012 10:35:13 AM
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YesuWangu wrote:


You should know there is a difference between ones' character and ones' possessions. That will stop you from making useless comparisons.

Character cannot be transferred from one person to another. Goods can. Lands can.


Here we go again! This has all the makings of a personal attack.

Did you see this?

kyt wrote:
its called condemnation by representation @Laughing out loudly, mtoto wa nyoka ni nyoka. even children from abusive marriages are likely to turn out the same #uhuru found the land, its public land, can he correct the sins of his father? swala nyeti hiyo!!

What @ kyt is saying here is that Jomo was a thief thus Uhuru is a thief also. That you are guilty of your father's sin. He even brought in the issue of children from abusive marriages!
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
pariah
#64 Posted : Wednesday, March 07, 2012 11:17:55 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
YesuWangu wrote:


You should know there is a difference between ones' character and ones' possessions. That will stop you from making useless comparisons.

Character cannot be transferred from one person to another. Goods can. Lands can.


Here we go again! This has all the makings of a personal attack.

Did you see this?

kyt wrote:
its called condemnation by representation @Laughing out loudly, mtoto wa nyoka ni nyoka. even children from abusive marriages are likely to turn out the same #uhuru found the land, its public land, can he correct the sins of his father? swala nyeti hiyo!!

What @ kyt is saying here is that Jomo was a rhief thus Uhuru is a thief also. That you are guilty of your father's sin. He even brought in the issue of children from abusive marriages!



living off proceeds of a crime knowingly...... does that make you an accomplice? No amount of defence will sanitise these robber barons. The land may never be recovered but that does not make it right
livie
#65 Posted : Wednesday, March 07, 2012 12:23:24 PM
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the ogiek link makes an interesting read, @jaluo
Couldnt have come out clearer...i like especially these excerpts:

Many settlers were returning to Britain. Kenyatta and his cronies quickly formed the Settlement Transfer Fund Schemes (STFS) and asked the British for a loan to the Kenyan government, to buy off land from colonial settlers returning to Britain. Good idea up to this point.

Britain, having been reassured by Kenyatta that those settlers still wishing to stay on in Kenya would not have their land repossessed, advanced the money. This money was used to buy settler land which was officially sold into the Kenyatta initiated Settlement Transfer Fund Schemes (STFS).

Next, Kenyatta began to give away and sell for peanuts, these government (STFS)-acquired, former colonial land parcels, to himself, his family and cronies around 1964 and 1965. This is the point when the rain started beating Kenya.

Kenyatta’s then Vice President, Jaramogi Oginga Odinga, cried foul and rejected these acts of wanton land grabbing. The opportunity to choose nationalism and selflessness over greed and ethnic tendencies was lost. Rather than address this land issue once and for all, Kenyatta opted to
REPLACE the settler colonialist in land they had initially grabbed from natives. We have began harvesting the seeds of the mustard sown by Kenyatta in the 1960s. It will not be sweet at all.

The Seroneys and other Nandi and Kipsigis leaders immediately cried foul when Kenyatta ensued in his land grabbing tendencies. So were many Maasai and Miji-Kenda leaders like Ronald Ngala. Their cries were feeble and over run. Today and tomorrow, their descendants will demand justice and
restitution in an exercise that threatens to tear apart Kenya’s social fabric.

Who will shoulder the burden of the fruits enjoyed by Kenyatta and his cronies, Moi and his cronies, and Kibaki and his latter day cronies? Will it be the poor Kenyan taxpayer taking the bill in form of blood, and more taxes?

Going back....down memory lane..... in the immediate post-independence era, the moment, the Seroneys and Ogingas started crying foul, and nothing was done, we entered a dangerous phase of our nation’s socio-political path.
If you are going to be thinking only one thing, you might as well be thinking big. -Donald J . Trump
mkeiy
#66 Posted : Wednesday, March 07, 2012 12:30:10 PM
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Kenyatta was the president with powers to allocate public land. He allocated himself huge swathes of land. The least UK can do is start attempting to correct his father's misdeed. His siblings are not on Tv every night talking of "building a just,prosperous" Kenya for all. It's UK i see on UK, it's UK to start walking his talk. The reason why some people in Taita are squatters is coz the land they would have owned,belongs to Kenyatta.
UK got to start "correcting" his dad.
Otherwise all is hypocrisy perfected.
McReggae
#67 Posted : Wednesday, March 07, 2012 12:50:00 PM
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Location: Nairobi
mkeiy wrote:
Kenyatta was the president with powers to allocate public land. He allocated himself huge swathes of land. The least UK can do is start attempting to correct his father's misdeed. His siblings are not on Tv every night talking of "building a just,prosperous" Kenya for all. It's UK i see on UK, it's UK to start walking his talk. The reason why some people in Taita are squatters is coz the land they would have owned,belongs to Kenyatta.
UK got to start "correcting" his dad.
Otherwise all is hypocrisy perfected.


Nobody wanan listen to that, the prince must be protected yet we the IDP's want their RV land back!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
keraka
#68 Posted : Wednesday, March 07, 2012 2:28:43 PM
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The irony of this story is that pple tend to bealive Ruto bought the land from one Yator.Grabbing 101 says ;when you grab dont appear to be the first party,but make things appear as if a transaction took place.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Wendz
#69 Posted : Wednesday, March 07, 2012 2:38:36 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
@Jaluo, much respect.Applause thanks for the info. Do we know how all that land was acquired?


The land was taken from the settlement schemes that were supposed to be subdivided to the Mau Mau fighters and other kikuyu's who were in concentration camps.... Since majority did not even know how to read and right and the kenyattas and his cronies were in touch with the happens of the government then, they took advantage and they did not give their counterparts their fair share of the land they fought for! Still, though legal, it was completely immoral! it depends on what you value most.
Ngalaka
#70 Posted : Wednesday, March 07, 2012 2:40:09 PM
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I am not a big fan of Kenyattas, but reading through the posts here there is no way one can accuse him of having taken anybody's anything!

It is pointless to go to great lengths to find some feeble shade of an alleged wrong committed by Uhuru.

Unfortunately, I can say the same for Ruto!

for starters Ruto should hand back the land pronto, to its righful owner with some huge compensation and apology.
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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