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CDSC employee steals 15m from investors
Mainat
#31 Posted : Saturday, March 03, 2012 12:30:05 AM
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Muganda-scenario not probable or possible. For you to transfer from NIC, you have to fill out transfer form and take it together with your id to NIC office who sign it. You then take the same form to Genge. The only way to circumvent this process would for ze CDSC character to go into the client's acc from the CDSC. However, NIC would still know. NIC is hence ze biggest culprit... As the bear season
Sehemu ndio nyumba
Jamani
#32 Posted : Saturday, March 03, 2012 11:05:17 AM
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Fraud and fraudulent activities are complex, its never done at a single source insider information must do rounds before a hit is decided.

Thinking this way, there must be insiders at the named brokerage firms who passed some info for the hit... Could be the reason why some bonafide members are not responding to the allegations (remember what they say can and might be used against them...)

Proper investigations will have some brokerage employees giving police their sample "DNA"(read statement), telephone numbers, contacts, etc for analysis
MoG
#33 Posted : Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:23:41 PM
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dunkang wrote:
Suppose you are a CDSC employee and you were never taught by your parents (grandparents or whoever brought you up) honesty! Would you please explain to us for how long you have been doing this, which are your target stocks, who do you report to, etc, etc, etc!



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muganda
#34 Posted : Saturday, March 03, 2012 4:02:10 PM
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It seems Standard are shedding more light. http://t.co/jxMl5MDu

The man was actually in charge of HelpDesk and those to be investigated are CDSC staff. Apart from political efforts by CMA fraud unit to show they were on their toes, it is clear that the person charged with transfers between brokers, authentication of the documents, maintaining controls, went berserk!

So the issue becomes if the Storekeeper is siphoning grain, the issue becomes... How much has he got away with in the past? Is the owner of the store responsible? Were shopkeepers buying the grain aware it was stolen? Would you willingly store your grain in that Store again?


Jamani
#35 Posted : Saturday, March 03, 2012 5:46:58 PM
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Well lets wait and see.... I hope investigators will not be narrow or short sighted, to only focus on the culprit but will comb the entire spectrum......
jerry
#36 Posted : Saturday, March 03, 2012 8:11:39 PM
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@muganda. Shares under NIC were transferred fraudulently to Genghis, Apex and SIB b4 they were offered for sale. The transfer cannot be completed without involvement of an official of the brokerage firms unless ICT system is insecure or 'has a virus'. It takes 2 to tangle! After transfer sale can be effected normally by any1 without notice of earlier fraud. At least 3 more people (one from each broker/IB) will have to face the law.
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Jamani
#37 Posted : Saturday, March 03, 2012 8:36:35 PM
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@Jerry you have explained as an FBI agent, hope thats how the investigators see it. We are exposed not only to the bare but also to fraudsters, this activity is threatening our investments and should be curbed to deter anyone else having such intentions.
muganda
#38 Posted : Saturday, March 03, 2012 9:09:25 PM
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@Jamani @jerry no offense meant but do you have an interest in sullying the names of either Genghis, Apex, or SIB?

I ask the question because you both seem to go on and on about the three, yet nary a word about CDSC (custodian) and NIC Capital (broker whose client's shares were lost) and whatever the angle would be more culpable.

Surely, you must realise the only organization that can effect a transfer is CDSC, original genuine KYC information on the account would be with CDSC and NIC, plus transfer forms (whether genuinue or fraudulent) are to meet CDSC requirements. Lastly, all articles on incident show Police as holding one and investigating additional CDSC staff.

Yes you are right, officials from the three had to Okay the transfer in the normal course of business. But who apart from CDSC or NIC could tell they were stolen?

Heck! I may be wrong. No worries, let's wait and in time truth will be made clear.


mozenrat
#39 Posted : Saturday, March 03, 2012 9:24:09 PM
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@Muganda... I agree with you. The whole point of filling out all these forms is for them to end up at the CDSC helpdesk who then effect the transfer.. Now if someone at the helpdesk initiates the transfer, there is no way that the new broker would know that somethings up.. @Genghis, I think your answer is sufficient. CDSC info is supposed to be like a banks statement. if it says you have 20 shares instead of 20,000, then that's the position until you provide sufficient alternative proof. I believe that was the basis for the actions of the three brokers.
dunkang
#40 Posted : Saturday, March 03, 2012 9:25:12 PM
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muganda wrote:
@Jamani @jerry no offense meant but do you have an interest in sullying the names of either Genghis, Apex, or SIB?

I ask the question because you both seem to go on and on about the three, yet nary a word about CDSC (custodian) and NIC Capital (broker whose client's shares were lost) and whatever the angle would be more culpable.

Surely, you must realise the only organization that can effect a transfer is CDSC, original genuine KYC information on the account would be with CDSC and NIC, plus transfer forms (whether genuinue or fraudulent) are to meet CDSC requirements. Lastly, all articles on incident show Police as holding one and investigating additional CDSC staff.

Yes you are right, officials from the three had to Okay the transfer in the normal course of business. But who apart from CDSC or NIC could tell they were stolen?

Heck! I may be wrong. No worries, let's wait and in time truth will be made clear.




@ Muganda, do you also double as @Genghis 'bonafide' in Wazua?

Wow! I may also be wrong. No worries though, let's wait and hope time will reveal your identity
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