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masukuma wrote:And no one has answered my question on whether the time from independence is some sort of metric to judge on how developed you are...who said so? 1963 is only a reference point,
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/24/2011 Posts: 833
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masukuma wrote:Jaluo wrote:@ Masukuma ''And no one has answered my question on whether the time from independence is some sort of metric to judge on how developed you are...who said so?''
We attained ‘’independence’’, the so called ‘’Self Rule’’ in 1963. We (Africans) are ‘ruling’ ourselves using the former white colonial master’s religion, constitution, education system and even ‘mimicked’’ culture to ‘’develop’’. We are judging how far we have come or ‘’developed’’ to a ‘’westernized –first-world-country’’ and 1963 is the ground zero since that’s when they ‘left’ e..g Have we built any railway network, bridge, dam or major highway since ‘they’ left in 1963? That can be a metric to measure our transport ‘development’. We built Turkwell Gorge – that is our ‘development’- A white elephant riddled with corruption. Pia the Japanese can use the Hiroshima Atomic Bombs as a metric on how far they have come. Au sio? In truth, are we really independent? We replaced one colonial master with another rabid homegrown monster. Economically, we are still colonized; When the Dollar sneezes in Washington, our Shilling gets pneumonia and huffs and puffs like an arthritic Gorilla huko Congo forest where nasikia Okuyo’s were spotted in another thread. In the African Context, is ‘Development’ really achievable without the Whites? Maybe the Black Man is inherently and genetically ‘anti-development’? Look at our black brothers in Haiti- they are as ‘developed’ as any other rural African village deep in Lubumbashi. Ditto the New Orleans blacks, wanasukumwa mbele by thorax through accident of Geography. Racist? No. I don’t need to borrow Makau Mutua’s crystal ball to predict that our next major ‘’development’ project; The Lamu Port and Lamu Southern Sudan-Ethiopia Transport Corridor (LAPSSET), will be riddled with GRAND CORRUPTION, THEFT and endless POLITICKING. It is a Sh 2 trillion port project; In an election year, with our MPIGs in charge- The same Y2K 92’, Goldenburg, Anglo Leasing lot……. Everyone has their culture and culture is not stagnant! the white man's religion was previously a Jewish sect and now has become ours as the whiteman heads towards Wicca. Culture like any other thing moves around. Geometry from Egypt, calculus from Greece e.t.c. there is nothing wrong with finding something that works from other cultures and taking it - that's called being wide! read your history, our black brothers in haiti we dehumanized by the French - same thing as congo (Lubumbashi) it takes time for people to recover (look at our black brothers in the US or even the American Indians - right within the greatest nation in the world but still failing to 'click'). The Japanese cannot use Hiroshima as a starting point, since they were a powerful nation way before that its only that Nagasaki and Hiroshima were flattened, they had jets and torpedoes that pelekad the US mbio, they had colonies in south east asia. So unless the bomb had the effect of wiping their culture and education and all their technology - then maybe we could consider that point. The Japanese also for quite sometime had their backs covered by the US and thus did not have to spend on defence. Africa in the 60's as far as western educational systems are concerned was no where near any of those countries you are talking about. We have still not yet reached those levels of education now. A tree must be climbed from the bottom! Is the African mind 'anti-development' - no!, Why do I say so? Do we as individuals improve our own lives? Yes. Do poor people improve their lives? yes. but somehow we have been lied to that if it doesn't work there its someone else's fault. Read my signature, during colonialism we were conditioned to produce stuff that we did not drink (tea and coffee), Liberia was conditioned to make rubber for cars they did not drive. we have been conditioned to buy the best of the cars in Europe and the US as status symbols, while the Indians pride themselves with a 1 Lahk Ruppee car! Can Kenyans buy Kenyans ama we have accepted the lie that 'cheap is expensive' lets buy BMWs and remain in the control of the white man. until we believe that its only us who can change our fate and that we have what it takes and that there are no hard and fast rules to development nor a single superior model to copy then...otherwise we will be on this forum 50 years from now blaming people. What was colonialism? Kenyans have misused that term without knowing the meaning. During colonialism many things happened including the killing of culture by a 'superior' culture. The same thing is happening now (and not only to us but world wide) - our English is more like the US (based on our programming) in the 80s it was more like the British (due to the programming). What is independence? Independence is simply being able to make your own decisions whether wise or otherwise. We are independent! are some of those decisions forced - yes, but we make them. what happened in 1963 was exactly that - make your own decisions - you have no one else to blame but yourself. about the Lamu port - wacha ijengwe, wacha pesa iibwe! so that we take a step forward. @masukuma i agree with everything you say, it all boils down to a proper leadership, as you rightly point out, a quick example is how our culture is being drowned in US culture hugely through holiwood. It does not take a genius to imagine that the effect would have been less significant if we had a historical culture of local programming in the mass media which brings me back to where we started -a responsible leadership A good leader can easily turn around Kenya's fortunes in two decades. Look at what Kagame is doing, if that can be done for Kenyans with a firm hand consistently for a generation we d be on a different level altogether.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 6/22/2011 Posts: 72 Location: Joburg
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@ masukuma Great Points !! I have just Googled Barbado's..... wako mbele, lakini pia naona total population is only 284,589, less than Eastlands. Can that success be extrapolated to a country as vast as Congo? '' The European condemns the Africans for having two wives yet he keeps two mistresses'' - Jomo Kenyatta
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Jaluo wrote:@ masukuma Great Points !! I have just Googled Barbado's..... wako mbele, lakini pia naona total population is only 284,589, less than Eastlands. Can that success be extrapolated to a country as vast as Congo? exactly my point, smaller populations are easier to manage and develop. look at Botswana, they hit diamonds in the 90s and now the per capita income is almost 15 times kenyas...but for a population that is less than the number of Kisiis. the bottom line is, Africa will not develop into some other continent, Africa will win by being Africa and the first step is to actually acknowledge that THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH US! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 6/22/2011 Posts: 72 Location: Joburg
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@ Masukuma "........actually acknowledge that THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH US!..."Let me mention just one- We are deeply tribal !! Your point on colonization has got me thinking outside the box kiasiHi Berlin Treaty of 1884-1885 ( Berlin Link ) that divided Africa into our so called ''countries''....Do you think it was cast in stone or do you think we as Africans should have another conference and revisit it? Would it make economic , cultural and geographical sense to consider re-drawing these borders so as to stimulate our 'development' in a more coherent manner? '' The European condemns the Africans for having two wives yet he keeps two mistresses'' - Jomo Kenyatta
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Jaluo wrote:@ Masukuma "........actually acknowledge that THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH US!..."Let me mention just one- We are deeply tribal !! Your point on colonization has got me thinking outside the box kiasiHi Berlin Treaty of 1884-1885 ( Berlin Link ) that divided Africa into our so called ''countries''....Do you think it was cast in stone or do you think we as Africans should have another conference and revisit it? Would it make economic , cultural and geographical sense to consider re-drawing these borders so as to stimulate our 'development' in a more coherent manner? What is a tribe? its just grouping! there is nothing wrong with being tribal its about origin, when moved at a higher level its called patriotism (especially by countries that have a single tribe i.e. England, france e.t.c). The biggest challenge is negative ethnicity, we need to appreciate that we are different! but when these differences are turned into means of division -we are in problems. However, as mentioned before - we are peculiar in this. the so called developing world has been divided on these grounds. the kingdoms of Spain belonged to the Spaniards, the Germans in Germany , France to the French, the occupants of the island of Great Britain have been sorting each other out for millennia until 1987! We simply have to work it our on our own - there are no templates to follow. back to definitions - we a 42 nations struggling to become 1 nation. it will take time, but we are doing much better than the rest of the world did as far as 'national cohesion' is concerned. Africa has over 3100 different language groups in Africa spread over 52 countries. Redrawing boundaries won't work now, that's water under the bridge. We simply need to work harder on it! I appreciate the African mind, its very docile and can survive and change. I know not of another that has over a short period of time, re-evaluated, picked up things from other cultures that are superior to its own and embraced change. the rest had millennia to do it. We were isolated and we are doing things 'double time' All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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@mathukuma, I like your thoughts. Very similar to Fmr Zambian President Chilubas arguments. Btw, whats your background?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:@mathukuma, I like your thoughts. Very similar to Fmr Zambian President Chilubas arguments. Btw, whats your background? hahaha..I am an IT Guy! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/6/2006 Posts: 276
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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while it strikes at the core of the collective narrative we have been told...@B.Timer is right! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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