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Rank: Member Joined: 9/28/2007 Posts: 45
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I am not surprised by this move, we have an inept government led by an idiot. He does not not have the intelligence to consider directing that money to improving health care or training a few cancer specialist in the country. It is interesting that when looking reviewing Michuki's 'illustrious' career we are reminded that he was our treasury PS when Kenya had the same GDP as Malaysia and Korea. 40 years later, the country is by far poorer than Korea while his ilk are richer than the government. As we celebrate his achievements we should remember that his financial success and his friends' success came as a cost to our nation.... 'pesa yetu, pesa yetu!! Our hypocrisy is exposed when we support such stupidity while we have IDPs in camps, shortage of medicine in Kiambu District Hospital and Muranga Hospital, malfunctioning mortuary refridgirator at City Mortuary. On a light note, if it takes a state funeral to bury this ilk and their negative effect, so be it. We need a new start. Whether in life or death, sickness or health, these guys lived on our sweat, blood and taxes. They are the reason we are what we are. Let the dead bury the dead.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/24/2011 Posts: 833
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tajiri wrote:I am not surprised by this move, we have an inept government led by an idiot. He does not not have the intelligence to consider directing that money to improving health care or training a few cancer specialist in the country. It is interesting that when looking reviewing Michuki's 'illustrious' career we are reminded that he was our treasury PS when Kenya had the same GDP as Malaysia and Korea. 40 years later, the country is by far poorer than Korea while his ilk are richer than the government. As we celebrate his achievements we should remember that his financial success and his friends' success came as a cost to our nation.... 'pesa yetu, pesa yetu!! Our hypocrisy is exposed when we support such stupidity while we have IDPs in camps, shortage of medicine in Kiambu District Hospital and Muranga Hospital, malfunctioning mortuary at City Mortuary. On a light note, if it takes a state funeral to bury this ilk and their negative effect, so be it. We need a new start. Whether in life or death, sickness or health, these guys lived on our sweat, blood and taxes. They are the reason we are what we are. Let the dead bury the dead. @masukuma i guess such are the facts that make you proud of your fallen mzee,
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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pariah wrote:tajiri wrote:I am not surprised by this move, we have an inept government led by an idiot. He does not not have the intelligence to consider directing that money to improving health care or training a few cancer specialist in the country. It is interesting that when looking reviewing Michuki's 'illustrious' career we are reminded that he was our treasury PS when Kenya had the same GDP as Malaysia and Korea. 40 years later, the country is by far poorer than Korea while his ilk are richer than the government. As we celebrate his achievements we should remember that his financial success and his friends' success came as a cost to our nation.... 'pesa yetu, pesa yetu!! Our hypocrisy is exposed when we support such stupidity while we have IDPs in camps, shortage of medicine in Kiambu District Hospital and Muranga Hospital, malfunctioning mortuary at City Mortuary. On a light note, if it takes a state funeral to bury this ilk and their negative effect, so be it. We need a new start. Whether in life or death, sickness or health, these guys lived on our sweat, blood and taxes. They are the reason we are what we are. Let the dead bury the dead. @masukuma i guess such are the facts that make you proud of your fallen mzee, So - who said Independence is the place to start "measuring stuff" considering - Uhuru mulipewa? how many people were employed or educated then? boss, I have discussed this until my voice became hoarse due to the myth of "independence" is the place to start counting things. our GDP at independence was all Kahawa and majani based! Korea had already started doing manufacturing electronics equipment (LG was founded in 1958, Samsung 1938) - and not government led. you idiots keep on believing that everything must come from the gava and to this day bado mambo ni mashamba tu! until now you are still believing that 'good governance' and 'democracy' are the way out! You need to recognize that even at that time Asia was not disconnected to the rest of the world as as sub-Saharan Africa was. The GDP at independence was from exports of tea and coffee to the UK. What about the role of the US after the Korean war in South East Asia? you cannot deny these facts. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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Please use them. They make it easy to read. As it is, these posts are hard to read, so I make this comment after having not read everything.
Can we not allow the president to decide who to give a state funeral? if we are going to have a law guiding every little decision, then what do we need a president for?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/24/2011 Posts: 833
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enlighten me masukuma, are u saying gava would nt have done better with less land grabbing, more education focused on sciences and engineering? more infrastructure projects, more electrification, training more doctors..... are u suggesting if these things were done systematically we ll still be where we are?
i really find it hard to believe u are convinced with your arguments yourself, it seems plausible that you are reluctantly doing this for someone else.
What about singapore? were they manufacturing in the 50s too?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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pariah wrote:enlighten me masukuma, are u saying gava would nt have done better with less land grabbing, more education focused on sciences and engineering? more infrastructure projects, more electrification, training more doctors..... are u suggesting if these things were done systematically we ll still be where we are?
i really find it hard to believe u are convinced with your arguments yourself, it seems plausible that you are reluctantly doing this for someone else.
What about singapore? were they manufacturing in the 50s too?
boss, i will not go into the details of what advantages the historic east india company gave to Singapore nor will i dwell on how it did not depend on agriculture to survive - its all academic. I think the best way to wrap this is - wewe meza wembe! you and your clan expected government to become a knight in shiny amour and rescue you poor damsels in distress and take you to a new dawn. until this day you are chasing this myth! Kenyans have been indoctrinated to actually believe that change in gava will actually change their lives!! that's what kept us busy all these years, fighting to go into power! 2008 was the epitome....thinking that if certain people are in power your lot will change...IT WILL NOT. the only way out is if you do something not gava does something for your. otherwise you will die an angry bitter and disenchanted man. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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All this focus on land is what is messing us up! BUILD STUFF!! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/24/2011 Posts: 833
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masukuma wrote:pariah wrote:enlighten me masukuma, are u saying gava would nt have done better with less land grabbing, more education focused on sciences and engineering? more infrastructure projects, more electrification, training more doctors..... are u suggesting if these things were done systematically we ll still be where we are?
i really find it hard to believe u are convinced with your arguments yourself, it seems plausible that you are reluctantly doing this for someone else.
What about singapore? were they manufacturing in the 50s too?
boss, i will not go into the details of what advantages the historic east india company gave to Singapore nor will i dwell on how it did not depend on agriculture to survive - its all academic. I think the best way to wrap this is - wewe meza wembe! you and your clan expected government to become a knight in shiny amour and rescue you poor damsels in distress and take you to a new dawn. until this day you are chasing this myth! Kenyans have been indoctrinated to actually believe that change in gava will actually change their lives!! that's what kept us busy all these years, fighting to go into power! 2008 was the epitome....thinking that if certain people are in power your lot will change...IT WILL NOT. the only way out is if you do something not gava does something for your. otherwise you will die an angry bitter and disenchanted man. I certainly dont think that if someone from a specific region is in power my fortunes will change, but I know for sure that if consistent policies are implemented by the govt everyone will be better off. Its not purely academic to point out that Singapore had a visionary leadership that set out to transform their economy first to manufacturing hub and later into a financial hub and a major player in the oil sector. I dont care who is in power but I know what is possible and what is not, I know it is possible to get Kenyans better leadership in all spheres of life, I dont believe in the 'tunaomba serikali mantra' which has been accentuated by past leaders. I dont understand why you are so defensive.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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pariah wrote:masukuma wrote:pariah wrote:enlighten me masukuma, are u saying gava would nt have done better with less land grabbing, more education focused on sciences and engineering? more infrastructure projects, more electrification, training more doctors..... are u suggesting if these things were done systematically we ll still be where we are?
i really find it hard to believe u are convinced with your arguments yourself, it seems plausible that you are reluctantly doing this for someone else.
What about singapore? were they manufacturing in the 50s too?
boss, i will not go into the details of what advantages the historic east india company gave to Singapore nor will i dwell on how it did not depend on agriculture to survive - its all academic. I think the best way to wrap this is - wewe meza wembe! you and your clan expected government to become a knight in shiny amour and rescue you poor damsels in distress and take you to a new dawn. until this day you are chasing this myth! Kenyans have been indoctrinated to actually believe that change in gava will actually change their lives!! that's what kept us busy all these years, fighting to go into power! 2008 was the epitome....thinking that if certain people are in power your lot will change...IT WILL NOT. the only way out is if you do something not gava does something for your. otherwise you will die an angry bitter and disenchanted man. I certainly dont think that if someone from a specific region is in power my fortunes will change, but I know for sure that if consistent policies are implemented by the govt everyone will be better off. Its not purely academic to point out that Singapore had a visionary leadership that set out to transform their economy first to manufacturing hub and later into a financial hub and a major player in the oil sector. I dont care who is in power but I know what is possible and what is not, I know it is possible to get Kenyans better leadership in all spheres of life, I dont believe in the 'tunaomba serikali mantra' which has been accentuated by past leaders. I dont understand why you are so defensive. the problem with us is that a good leader cannot even plan ahead due to the undercutting siasa. to develop we have to take bitter pills they are: - give a leader space to breathe! - believe that foreign powers do not want Africa to succeed. - believe that we owe our people the dignity of living a human beings. - believe we are intellectually equal to anyone. - use our own model to develop. - do something to improve your fate! development is not heaven that there is only one way to it...tengeneza panya route! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/24/2011 Posts: 833
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@masukuma we are now making progress with you giving your take on what you think we need to do albeit with a tinge of your characteristic negativity. All we are saying is past leaders let us down, even if you were part of the system or you gained from it, the point is it could have been better and now we have to be careful how we chose the next ones
In the countries that managed to break with their past we have a model, you can look up all your academic arguments to berate us why it cant work for Africa but we know its possible to better ourselves through responsible leadership at the top and NOT HANDOUTS
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