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a4architect.com
#91 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2012 7:06:59 AM
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@murchr..the issue is why the Govt is using tax payers money close to KES 800m to acquire the 5000 acre land. This money should go into providing basic utilities such as fibre optic cable,electricity e.t.c
The project can still be realized without Govt buying the land-all govt needs to do is zone the area as a city.

In the Indian Silicon valley, they bought only 335 acres of land
http://en.wikipedia.org/...Silicon_Valley_of_India
'History

The Electronics City was the brainchild of R K Baliga. He was the first Chairman and Managing Director of Karnataka State Electronics Development Corporation (in 1976 the government agency was created to expand the electronics industry in the state of Karnataka). Baliga proposed the concept of developing the electronic city in the 1970s. The agency purchased 335 acres (1.36 km2) of land 18 km south of Bangalore for its Electronics City project, which was meant to establish an industrial park in Bangalore. '
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#92 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2012 7:44:36 AM
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I think kenya needs to start from somewhere. Yes we might not have everything same way as in silicon valley or Bangalore or any other in the world.

Majority have talked about lack of human resource in kenya and that we will have to import the expertise. There is talent in kenya though not as refined as that from stanford, harvard or MIT but there are young kenyans taking the initiative to innovate as much as they know how to we don't need another ipad or ianything we have enough problems to stir up the innovative minds. The minds don't work alone they need support from investors to notice there is something new worth funding now if Konza will in any way give provide this then let it be.

Finally can we give ideas on how the konza can be done better instead of criticizing without giving any meaningful ideas.

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#93 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2012 7:57:51 AM
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@ jamplu..all Govt needs to do is to utilise the close to KES 1B [KES 200K per acre x 5000acres]it will use to acquire the Konza land to improve ICT infrastructure and/or support ICT Based university.
Kenya already has the talent within it. All the talent needs is support in terms of ICT Infrastructure.
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#94 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2012 10:26:50 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@murchr..the issue is why the Govt is using tax payers money close to KES 800m to acquire the 5000 acre land. This money should go into providing basic utilities such as fibre optic cable,electricity e.t.c
The project can still be realized without Govt buying the land-all govt needs to do is zone the area as a city.

In the Indian Silicon valley, they bought only 335 acres of land
http://en.wikipedia.org/...Silicon_Valley_of_India
'History

The Electronics City was the brainchild of R K Baliga. He was the first Chairman and Managing Director of Karnataka State Electronics Development Corporation (in 1976 the government agency was created to expand the electronics industry in the state of Karnataka). Baliga proposed the concept of developing the electronic city in the 1970s. The agency purchased 335 acres (1.36 km2) of land 18 km south of Bangalore for its Electronics City project, which was meant to establish an industrial park in Bangalore. '


But fact remains they acquired some property to ensure that there was concentration hence the ease in provision of services.... why didn't they provide the services to the whole of the Karnataka state? its because it is not possible! Granted the government of Kenya has bought more land, but do we have to buy 300 acres because others did so? why not include other facilities like tourism (hotels) which is part of our major earner while at it? People, give this thing a trial! we cant always be throwing cold water on any efforts of the government..... am sure most of the nay sayers here will be running to invest when the whole thing kicks off and they will be the first to give praises of the project.... typical kenyans!
jamplu
#95 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2012 11:44:14 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@ jamplu..all Govt needs to do is to utilise the close to KES 1B [KES 200K per acre x 5000acres]it will use to acquire the Konza land to improve ICT infrastructure and/or support ICT Based university.
Kenya already has the talent within it. All the talent needs is support in terms of ICT Infrastructure.


When the last mile is fully functional then i don't think we will have major issues with internet which i think the majority are calling the infrastructure it will be up to safaricom and the rest of the partners to ensure that the bandwidth is available to all as required.
Regarding ICT infrastructure in universities what kind of infrastructure are we talking about because i don't think you need more than a computer/ a laptop and your own initiative to come up with something or learn the skills. In my college days we bought ourselves clones with our HELB money established networks in our Hostels we didn't need optical fiber for that we taught ourselves the IT skills on networking and software development yes we didn't invent facebook or twitter but whatever we learned then has enabled us get where we are, help others and also contribute to the society.
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#96 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2012 12:20:57 PM
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While Kenyans can be said to be fast learners, other countries in the region are catching up faster.

Rwanda has been on this "ICT" path before, infact Kenya has copied from Rwanda the idea of a Vision2030. Rwanda pursues a Vision2020 initiative developed in early 2000s.

For the ICT industry, they started with development of infrastucture and they later on realized that people were not using the infrastracture as expected. This does not mean it was wrong to invest in the infrastructure. The issue is that it has taken them longer to realize the dream than was expected.

Now they have embarked on yet another phase of their ICT dream and now it's all about skill development. From having "one laptop per child" programme to pushing ICT education in all primary and secondary schools with an aim to have nation wide coverage. All things constant, this move will pay off in a few years to come.

If Kenya invested more in skills development, our options would be endless. We would accelerate the pace of development in this industry to our own regional advantage.

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Rwanda ICT
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#97 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2012 1:16:37 PM
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Taking EPZ as an example why is it struggling to compete internationally...If AGOA was to be scrapped today will the EPZ stay afloat.

When we say Konza will be a technology city obviously it will not only be a BPO and software hub but also a manufacturing hub are we able to host IBM,NOKIA,GE and other major technological companies with our derelict transport infrastructure.

KPA currently is unable to cope with the existing demand, Lamu Port and its connecting infrastructure might take several years to complete...RVR, well, I dont know when they are going to break ground on a new railway line.The expansion of JKIA has been put on hold due to lack of Funds.

When you look at the challenges ahead Konza city is a brilliant Idea but in Realistic terms will it rival the Asian tigers.

I read somewhere that Ihub has more than 3,000 developers who frequent the facility,we have several startups which are making a name for themselves globally i.e craft silicon,seven seas and other startups that are yet to go mainstream.

Why cant the Govt zone Konza and give incentives like tax breaks for any company that set up operation in that zone then let it grow from there.

The Hype the govt is giving this project will only make it uncompetitive due to speculators who will push the property prices in the area unrealistically high....making it another Nairobi.





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#98 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2012 4:34:47 PM
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ICT Board Budget

USD 120 Million
http://www.cloudcomputin...eo-kenya-ict-board.html
KES 1B
http://www.ictworks.org/taxonomy/term/689

http://allafrica.com/stories/201201250032.html

I now see why the ICT Board can afford to buy 5000 acres at KES 1 Billion. The exchequer has funded them adequately.
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murchr
#99 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2012 9:45:24 PM
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@a4architect.com The land has already been bought by the govt from malili, a group of ranchers who previously owned the land. All that land near athi-river all the way to salama was previously owned by some sort of saccos. Note its important that the govt controls and plans the city otherwise we will have flats in the middle of the city. The govt has already participated in bringing in the fiber cable to the country. Note that at Konza there shall be universities that will supply the human resource needed. UON and Strathmore is among them.
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#100 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:36:29 AM
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