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Massive government projects to come up in the coast
eboomerang
#1 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:30:46 PM
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While the ideas may be wonderful, there is a great deal of simplicity and lack of proper analysis to really show the benefits these projects will create.

Instead of throwing some "big" figures at us, why not provide proper documentation or create a forum where you take people through the various parts of the business model these projects are going to follow.

When are the projects expected to break even? what about a cost-benefit analysis? Even some simple SWOT analysis would be more helpful than political rhetoric.

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mkeiy
#2 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2012 4:22:41 PM
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eboomerang wrote:
While the ideas may be wonderful, there is a great deal of simplicity and lack of proper analysis to really show the benefits these projects will create.

Instead of throwing some "big" figures at us, why not provide proper documentation or create a forum where you take people through the various parts of the business model these projects are going to follow.

When are the projects expected to break even? what about a cost-benefit analysis? Even some simple SWOT analysis would be more helpful than political rhetoric.

Watch the clip...


@ eboomerang,

I will start responding to your first point, the blue.What do you mean simplicity? Expound.
Lack of proper analysis to show to show the benefits? I don't understand. What analysis? All i know, most of the gov'ts world over,they don't "explain" themselves about projects they are undertaking. They look at the "need" of essential structures. Profit is not a factor.
The port will bring immense benefits. Have you ever brought a shipment thru' mombasa? I do every month and its a nightmare.With S.Sudan up n running,with its huge oil reserves and its wars with Khartoum,a Kenya Port is the only feasible port for them. With petrol dollars, they will have huge imports/exports. Lamu port/kenya stands to benefit enormously.
The rail,well, have you tried getting stuff to Juba? I have, once every two months. The transport cost from here[Kenya] to Juba sometimes is same as the buying cost. No regular freighters. With the rail and the port, i won't have to bring stuff from Mombasa,on to Uganda before it lands in Juba. Just do the Maths, the savings.
Currently,Kenya-Ethiopia biz volume is negligible,the rail will help open up that region,more economic opportunities.
The pipeline,well they got the oil and they will shoulder the burden of building it. Last i checked,Kenyan cars run on fossil fuels.

On to the second color,green. Did i read documentation? Forum? You mean gov't give documentation or call a forum for guys like you and me? Come on,get serious. What do you mean business model? Give examples,2 will be enough. The people/corporations that matter to such a project are the ones the gov't will bother contacting. Not you and me. That's how it is with gov'ts world over. When the Mombasa-Uganda railway line was being built, was there such fora? Documentation?
And yeah, the figures for
Lamu are "BIG" coz they are.

Finally to the reds, break even? Cba? Swot analysis? When the gov't is building a bridge, where a bridge HAS to be build,profit is not the objective. Providing infrastructure to its citizens is the objective. Again, that Mombasa-Uganda railway line, when was it to break even? Of course the cost and benefits of whatever undertaking MUST be considered,the benefits have to be more than the costs. But for a gov't, that's so different as compared to a private sector project. Think of gov't schools,roads, bridges etc,when do they break-even? Does that mean the costs out-weigh the benefits? I also don't think the gov't will bother trying to make people "understand" its projects. Those who can and want to see the picture,will. They won't wait to be spoon-fed.

But then again: Definition of a boomerang "something, as a scheme or argument, that does injury to the originator.".
eboomerang
#3 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2012 4:58:34 PM
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@mkeiy
My intention is not to cause harm to any one. I'm just trying to raise the point that, as a stakeholder(citizen & potential investor) there is no useful information provided.

It sounds cool to have a port like Dubai (which I have never seen) but what does that mean for me as a stakeholder (citizen and local investor). Even matters such as pollution are yet to be addressed.

Yes I could respond to your questions with an example.

The UK government(NDA) is pursuing an ambitious plan to renew the nuclear energy industry. Please visit their website and see for your self.

The documents availed there are a wealth of information. If you are a stock investor you immediately get hints which ones you should buy from different players in the nuclear industry. Suppliers of various components can also adjust their business plans accordingly.

Key documents among others:
-NDA Business Plan 2011-2014
-NDA Strategy - Effective from April 2011 (full colour version)

Link: NDA

Keep in mind, that is a GOVERNMENT initiative.

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#4 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2012 5:05:00 PM
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mkeiy
#5 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:13:59 PM
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eboomerang wrote:
@mkeiy
My intention is not to cause harm to any one. I'm just trying to raise the point that, as a stakeholder(citizen & potential investor) there is no useful information provided.

It sounds cool to have a port like Dubai (which I have never seen) but what does that mean for me as a stakeholder (citizen and local investor). Even matters such as pollution are yet to be addressed.

Yes I could respond to your questions with an example.

The UK government(NDA) is pursuing an ambitious plan to renew the nuclear energy industry. Please visit their website and see for your self.

The documents availed there are a wealth of information. If you are a stock investor you immediately get hints which ones you should buy from different players in the nuclear industry. Suppliers of various components can also adjust their business plans accordingly.

Key documents among others:
-NDA Business Plan 2011-2014
-NDA Strategy - Effective from April 2011 (full colour version)

Link: NDA

Keep in mind, that is a GOVERNMENT initiative.


I didn't say you were out to harm anyone,just definition.
About pollution, NEMA handles that and i'm sure they are not sleeping on the job. Decommissioning Nuclear plant ain't the same as building a port. Ask Iran.I'm sure they do build ports in Iran, have you ever heard any "inspectors" sent there to assess? German has some nuclear waste being sent to France for safe disposal, do you know of the uproar it has caused? You can't compare nuclear matters and building ports/pipelines/railway. Not after what happened in Japan.
The Lamu project[s], if all the information was to be public with open lines for queries and comments, just imagine the number of calls/emails/visits which would ensue? That's a waste of time and resources, with people asking a billion dollar question with 10 dollars in their pockets. It won't add value to anyone. Not to the gov't, not to the public.
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Cde Monomotapa
#6 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2012 9:27:43 AM
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Some citizenships must be revoked here *SMH* cheers @mkeiy
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#7 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2012 9:45:21 AM
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on this one mkeiy, I'm with you. I know there needs to be a port somewhere and I'm trusting the beauracrats to do the right thing.

I'm sure eboomerang is not against the port per se but a mechanism to ensure that what is intended to be done can be tracked. Not by all the citizenry but experts in the field. But I would never wish to put a profit and loss account in infrastructure projects.

The port is essential in Kenya.
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eboomerang
#8 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2012 3:43:22 PM
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Either i'm not good at explaining things or someone is unable to reason out of the box and see the larger scheme of things.

mkeiy wrote:

You can't compare nuclear matters and building ports/pipelines/railway. Not after what happened in Japan.

An example is meant to jog your mind and cause you to think of an issue in a certain way. Look at the bigger picture and not only the simple fact that you as a person will benefit by shipping using the new port.

It is only common sense that a solution is indeed required to solve the congestion in the current port. However, I believe an investor would like to know much much more before making plans to kick start operations based on the planned new port.


Consider the following scenarios:

-Tanzania is also building a new port in Mbegani and expanding capacity in some of their existing ports.

-It's possible that Somalia (strategic location) could be peacful in the next 10 year period (dependent upon global forces). It is a possibility anyhow.

-Air cargo becomes cheapers and routes are increased. Signs are already showing.

-Here you have an investment(Lamu port) which would turn to be self sustaining in say 20 yrs.

-There is a potential investor -a company like (B & Sons) who own a large logitstics business. They are considering ordering more trailers in expected business growth due to the newly planned port in Kenya.

Based on those few scenarios, what has really happened?
The region(Kenya, Tanzania, "hopefully Somalia") has collectively created shipping port over capacity and not to mention that air freight spins the equation even further.

What will happen when there is over capacity?
the shippers are spoilt of choices and therefore weild more power and are able to push down the handling costs. Alternatively, this may play as a price war between the ports and air freight.

Consequently, in a mild situation, the 20 years needed to pay back the huge capital investments of the port are prolonged with a few more years. Meaning we have to figure out how to maintain the operations there.

B&Sons on the other hand due to missing expected sales (some to air freight and goods being received in other countries) end up loosing margins and could be easily driven to bankraptucy.

That was just a simplified example of how things could play for various stakeholders.
Cde Monomotapa
#9 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2012 6:59:09 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Some citizenships must be revoked here *SMH* cheers @mkeiy

eboomerang
#10 Posted : Sunday, February 26, 2012 7:37:42 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Some citizenships must be revoked here *SMH* cheers @mkeiy


Let's not bury our heads in the sand we really need to think the big picture through, read this article. http://blogs.worldbank.o...come?cid=EXT_TWBN_D_EXT


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