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nostoppingthis
#11 Posted : Tuesday, February 21, 2012 4:13:38 PM
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nostoppingthis
#12 Posted : Tuesday, February 21, 2012 4:15:34 PM
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2012 wrote:
nostoppingthis wrote:

Why does the political scene focus on these two communities and use the others as pawns?


Good question. And as one political annalist smile said, it will be easy for a wise fellow from the smaller tribes to be cunning and pita katikati with the support of the two tribes because they would rather give their votes someone else than lose to their rival.


I ask once again, would the pro-UK group give a compromise candidate from Meru or Embu of the smaller tribes!!?? I wait to see the day this will happen.....
Lolest!
#13 Posted : Tuesday, February 21, 2012 4:45:09 PM
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nostoppingthis wrote:

I ask once again, would the pro-UK group give a compromise candidate from Meru or Embu of the smaller tribes!!?? I wait to see the day this will happen.....

why not?

why are you assuming UK's core support is in House of Mumbi and not in GEMA?
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kangi
#14 Posted : Tuesday, February 21, 2012 5:05:53 PM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
2012 wrote:
nostoppingthis wrote:

Why does the political scene focus on these two communities and use the others as pawns?


Good question. And as one political annalist smile said, it will be easy for a wise fellow from the smaller tribes to be cunning and pita katikati with the support of the two tribes because they would rather give their votes someone else than lose to their rival.


I ask once again, would the pro-UK group give a compromise candidate from Meru or Embu of the smaller tribes!!?? I wait to see the day this will happen.....


Its gonna happen,....actually this year with the run off being a reality.
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TAZ
#15 Posted : Tuesday, February 21, 2012 5:16:52 PM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
2012 wrote:
nostoppingthis wrote:

Why does the political scene focus on these two communities and use the others as pawns?


Good question. And as one political annalist smile said, it will be easy for a wise fellow from the smaller tribes to be cunning and pita katikati with the support of the two tribes because they would rather give their votes someone else than lose to their rival.


I ask once again, would the pro-UK group give a compromise candidate from Meru or Embu of the smaller tribes!!?? I wait to see the day this will happen.....


Where is this candidate and has he\she strongly expressed any desire to go for the top seat? Why do people always assume that Kiuks can't vote for anyone else just because they've rejected RAO? He's the only candidate we've had from Nyanza since 1997 and it doesn't look like they'll be anyone else anytime soon.

Btw if you look at the voting patterns in the 1992 and 1997 elections you'd realize that KENYANS have always voted along tribal lines.....Kiuks shared votes between Matiba and MK, Nyanza had the Odinga dynasty while Western had the late Wamalwa. Its only in 2002 when they had a common enemy ndio walivote pamoja....it was done through the ballot and not propaganda.
luttz
#16 Posted : Tuesday, February 21, 2012 6:38:02 PM
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@ Lolest: Kweli kabisa,we should not be blamed because we are born of certain families, we all have parents whether poor, rich, peasants, thieves, rapists etc. And we all strive to be better than them, at least in our thinking.

@ Taz, hapana, not all tribes vote in tribal patterns or in a certain way. Western has always been divided, Huko kwa Wiper, the same and same to expansive Rift Valley, and Coast. The biggest problem in this country lies in Central and Nyanza and now the Kales are joining the ranks. one is tempted to thin that when one RAO, WSR or UK is elected president all Luos, Kales and Kiuks will eat 3 quality meals in a day, take their kids to school, et al. But we know the truth, why can't we change our people?
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, February 21, 2012 11:49:22 PM
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QUOTING Luttz "one is tempted to thin that when one RAO, WSR or UK is elected president all Luos, Kales and Kiuks will eat 3 quality meals in a day, take their kids to school, et al. But we know the truth, why can't we change our people?"


I have asked so many of my friends this question, even those that I believe are far more intelligent than I am just sing the tribal song all the way. It is a shame even the jobless people who are mostly jobless because of the shenanigans of current leaders are campaigning for them in forums as this one. Then they ll go to church/mosque and pray for jobs!!!!!!!! Jisaidie kwanza kabla uombe Mungu, if you vote any of the current leaders we ll still be where we are for a loooooong time, it doesnt matter the tribe or colour, none of them has a vision for kenya. I wish I can believe RT's manifesto .......
harrydre
#18 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2012 5:30:52 AM
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I believe Kiuks can vote for someone else even a Luo it's just RAO they ain't comfortable with. There is something about him...LOL..if G7 goes for Tuju for example, he will get the GEMA votes, and so is Eugene or MM.The Luo should rise and realize Odinga is not a god. For the last like 20 years, there has not been any other Luo running for the top seat. That is luck of competitiveness and it's naive
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YesuWangu
#19 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2012 7:21:16 AM
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harrydre wrote:
I believe Kiuks can vote for someone else even a Luo it's just RAO they ain't comfortable with. There is something about him...LOL..if G7 goes for Tuju for example, he will get the GEMA votes, and so is Eugene or MM.The Luo should rise and realize Odinga is not a god. For the last like 20 years, there has not been any other Luo running for the top seat. That is luck of competitiveness and it's naive


There is this disconnect I keep noticing. The Nyanza model is naive no doubt but why then is it being copied by the very ones who condemn it?

Please tie together this hypocrisy for me. I don't understand it.

Jaluo
#20 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:42:39 AM
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@ harrydre said

“The Luo should rise and realize Odinga is not a god. For the last like 20 years, there has not been any other Luo running for the top seat. That is luck of competitiveness and it's naïve”

@ Yesu Wangu said

‘….The Nyanza model is naive no doubt ‘’ …


Good people, Look at this way from the other side of the coin. RAO is a LEADER of the Luo people. He is not perfect and a leader should not necessarily be perfect or deified. Without a leader, a community’s voice will never be heard and it will be rudderless and resort to things like clannism : Look at the Somalis across the border.

My personal preference would be for RAO to sahau the presidency and go for something else like Nairobi Governor because he is too polarizing a figure.

As a presidential candidate (just like all the others), he has tu-maneno to explain like Maize Scandal, Kisumu Molasses Plant, flip-flopping, nepotism etc etc. The presidency will not define, confirm or alter the fact the he is the Luo leader.

I (and many others) could and will vote for other presidential candidates but RAO will remain the undisputed Luo leader until this leadership mantle is passed on to the next leader. Fidel doesn’t have the qualifications so rest assured the Odinga hegemony will eventually end; but another will rise. And we are happy with that.

Those who cannot comprehend this dichotomy surely cannot see a priest in a black frock standing in a mountain of sugar.

It is not naïvete, It is not ‘Tin God’ worship and all other negative images that people come up with. We do not need ‘Ukombozi’ as Raphael Tuju put it (On Tuju- he needs some education on what ''Community'' is ). We do not need to rise. (Rise and go where- South Sudan?) We are not looking for an alternative leader. We are not looking for an alternative model. We are looking to live as Kenyan Luo’s in a democratic, meritocratic and peaceful Kenya with 40 other tribes as our Kenyan brothers.

This is an African model and it works for us; we don’t need to abolish our culture and evolve into a White Man overnight. We have a leader, we need to accept that and not resort to tribalism against our neighbour’s or hate Okuyo’s and others for no coherent reason. We embrace our Kenyan-ness first and accept our Luo-ness second.
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