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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/27/2007 Posts: 3,604
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'Pwani Si Kenya' what do these people want? Sielewi.. African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
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This issue has been mishandled. Or is it not handled at all. It is being left to sink and soak into the mind of the ordinary Kenyan.
History tells us ideas whose time has come cannot be stopped. Both bad ideas and good ideas.
We will regret the future of this idea.
Yet our leaders are more concerned with who becomes president or not this year.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/30/2011 Posts: 483
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Is it time to hammer their heads, SLDF style, or do we need to negotiate with this group. Why would they need to secede anyway. Coast is not like South Sudan where there is oil and if the issue is land, it may be easier to relook at this now that we have county governments which will be effective after the general elections.
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Rank: User Joined: 11/10/2010 Posts: 550 Location: Junction
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That is why I have insisted on us having a serious president this time round, not nyef nyef material. It is easier to discuss the issues affecting the MRC now than wait until matters become elephant then you do a mini genocide in the name of bringing back sanity. SDLF style was not the best and the after effect is still felt to today. Innocent citizens get hurt by both the rebels and the government. The rebels chop your ears, the government converts your body into a sieve and you are a Kenyan. When it comes to Shaamba boys, the soldiers are scared of getting into the forest (Kismayu) like they did in Elgon forest cauze they know they are dealing with no nonsense rebels. Why cant they enter Kismayu overnight? Why mark time, why play coward and ask to join Amisom. Simply get in and get hammered or you hammer the tough guys and whoever wins takes credit. Hopeless. By inference, the man is all that Mr Phantom is not: an untrustworthy radical, divisive, too many enemies, a dictator, and a persistent liar...Gaitho dialogues.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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Lucid_Iam wrote:Is it time to hammer their heads, SDLF style, or do we need to negotiate with this group. Why would they need to secede anyway. Coast is not like South Sudan where there is oil and if the issue is land, it may be easier to relook at this now that we have county governments which will be effective after the general elections. one word - THE PORT!! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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the last time we were talking about Jimbo la pwani and the unholy alliance between RAO and those coasterian fellows. we almost got our headcut off. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/25/2010 Posts: 939 Location: Nai
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masukuma wrote:Lucid_Iam wrote:Is it time to hammer their heads, SDLF style, or do we need to negotiate with this group. Why would they need to secede anyway. Coast is not like South Sudan where there is oil and if the issue is land, it may be easier to relook at this now that we have county governments which will be effective after the general elections. one word - THE PORT!! If you dig deep you will realize these groups are being funded by some guyz with their own selfish agenda in mombasa. The land issues is so complex in coast it can't be solved by the MRC. If anyone knows the Kilifi land schemes very well knows coast people are to blame too. These guyz were issued with title deed by the government for prime land in kilifi what happened next... they have sold all of it to foreigners and other land buyers and its the same guyz who are complaining they have no land. These guyz should be dealt with ruthlessly.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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Ga'ment doesn't deal with illegal groups,so the issue of negotiations doesn't arise.......Waulize mungiki ama sdlf. Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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What is Baks doing about it!!!?
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/9/2010 Posts: 546 Location: Garissa
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Njung'e wrote:Ga'ment doesn't deal with illegal groups,so the issue of negotiations doesn't arise.......Waulize mungiki ama sdlf. I thought Mungiki was at state house in Oct 2007. Ama Ocampo is some silly idiot who is averse to truth? You never know what will happen to a rebel group. They might end up breaking the country. Remember Eritrea, Look at Somalia, Nigeria is on the way. In other words, nip the problem at the beginning. Talk to them, they are also Kenyans. Wisdom to detect when share prices hit rock bottom.
When interest on bonds keep going up, you know the bear run is on high street. When interest on bonds start leveling, the bear has met the bull and they have hit rock bottom. When the interest rates on bonds start coming down, the bull has overpowered the bear and you better be riding the bull.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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Sure wrote:Njung'e wrote:Ga'ment doesn't deal with illegal groups,so the issue of negotiations doesn't arise.......Waulize mungiki ama sdlf. I thought Mungiki was at state house in Oct 2007.Talk to them, they are also Kenyans. Possible....but they could only have talked to some individuals in government but not the government......and talking to them won't happen and it's simple.Who are they? Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/11/2011 Posts: 110 Location: Kenya
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The unfortunate thing is that this agitation is happening in the heat of politics. And MRC knows that no politician got the balls to stand against them because of the coastal votes matter, Kenyan politics being what it is today. And little wonder every airhead politician is bending over backwards talking about negotiating this and negotiating that.
This is of course very unfortunate. Such groupings with their ridiculous demands should never be allowed time, but then again whatever it is they are complaining against shouldn't have been allowed to occur in the first place.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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MRU are not a new grouping, they have been around for a while. I am sure as far back as 1998 and the sentiments they represent - much further back. Dealing with them ruthlessly is a mistake! because you cannot force people to stay with you its not sustainable, consider Eritrea's case. The more you force them the more they want OUT. However you can convince them of the benefit of a united Kenya. If you use force you will create martyrs and 'independence' heros remember the wise words that 'Treason Is A Matter Of Dates'. I think the only sustainable thing is to ensure that the masses they are talking too see the benefit of a union with 'watu wa bara' and giving them freedoms to do stuff locally will greatly aid in this - county governments are the way forward for them. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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Kihangeri wrote:That is why I have insisted on us having a serious president this time round, not nyef nyef material. It is easier to discuss the issues affecting the MRC now than wait until matters become elephant then you do a mini genocide in the name of bringing back sanity. SDLF style was not the best and the after effect is still felt to today. Innocent citizens get hurt by both the rebels and the government. The rebels chop your ears, the government converts your body into a sieve and you are a Kenyan. When it comes to Shaamba boys, the soldiers are scared of getting into the forest (Kismayu) like they did in Elgon forest cauze they know they are dealing with no nonsense rebels. Why cant they enter Kismayu overnight? Why mark time, why play coward and ask to join Amisom. Simply get in and get hammered or you hammer the tough guys and whoever wins takes credit. Hopeless. I am not appraised of what the Kismayu landscape is like. but the far more effective approach is what they are taking now...SEIGE....cut of the supplies. wait until they are weak and their supporters are tired of them - then attack. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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When countries are busy building bridges with their neighbors, all those guys want is secede? Then what? Some manna in form of land shall fall from heavens? They should roll up their sleeves and work hard. Waache uzembe!
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/24/2010 Posts: 677 Location: Nairobi
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Sober wrote:'Pwani Si Kenya' what do these people want? Sielewi.. What guys do not get is that the mrc mainly consist of the mwarabu population and a few indigenous (muslim) mijikenda. And the bigger picture people do not see is that Coast province is not comprised of ONLY muslim/arab population. In fact they are the minority, the majority are the mijikenda who are usually the "silent" lot. On the ground most do not support the mrc because there has always been an unspoken enmity between the indigenous mijikenda and the 'wadzomba' so there is lack of trust between the two.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
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masukuma wrote:MRU are not a new grouping, they have been around for a while. I am sure as far back as 1998 and the sentiments they represent - much further back. Dealing with them ruthlessly is a mistake! because you cannot force people to stay with you its not sustainable, consider Eritrea's case. The more you force them the more they want OUT. However you can convince them of the benefit of a united Kenya. If you use force you will create martyrs and 'independence' heros remember the wise words that 'Treason Is A Matter Of Dates'. I think the only sustainable thing is to ensure that the masses they are talking too see the benefit of a union with 'watu wa bara' and giving them freedoms to do stuff locally will greatly aid in this - county governments are the way forward for them. I tend to agree. Whereas SLDF were dealt with ruthlessly and Kenyans rejoiced, MRC is different. Whatever their origins and who funds them, they have romanticized the idea of breaking away to the local population who are falling in love with it. They definitely learnt from SLDF. Mow down with force some members and others will willingly and rapidly spring up to take their place.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/28/2006 Posts: 1,799
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Is it really that simple to want to secede?? Does it mean that if guys in Kisumu decide that they are fed up with being kenyans they can just gang up and start demanding to secede from kenya??? P.S.. My mention of kisumu has no inclinations whatsoever.. just an example...
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/24/2008 Posts: 46 Location: Embu
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Most Vigilantes(including alshabaab ,mungiki nd al qaeda) group initially start with a goal to fight some injustice.B4 it get out of hand and they become a security threat.Am saddened that a major party(ODM) in the country can associate with them.just shows u how some ppo dnt understand internal security policies.
We should say no,and crush the rebellion.Including saying no to any presidential candidate who entertains such groups.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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redi wrote:Most Vigilantes(including alshabaab ,mungiki nd al qaeda) group initially start with a goal to fight some injustice.B4 it get out of hand and they become a security threat.Am saddened that a major party(ODM) in the country can associate with them.just shows u how some ppo dnt understand internal security policies.
We should say no,and crush the rebellion.Including saying no to any presidential candidate who entertains such groups. boss, Mau Mau, the ANC, the American revolution e.t.c. were started in the same manner. Remember - TREASON IS A MATTER OF DATES All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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