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Rank: Member Joined: 10/1/2010 Posts: 143 Location: kenya
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Before you start oozing emotions and passion here remember politics is game of numbers and to attain the numbers you must have a modus operandi on how to assemble your troops which happened to be tribal in Kenya,In other countries like Somalia they use clans and in Nigeria it is religion.So take "Kenyans have moved tribal cocoons B&*&*S*^T" away. Now do your math.Central gone,Rift gone,Coast gone and now Musalia is looking for an exit strategy. If Rao survive this one to be the president come next year then I will eat an humble pie and say he worship better gods. Sent from my iPad" is the new "Haters gonna hate".
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/24/2010 Posts: 637 Location: Nairobi
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Arapsonkot you tell us.what do you think. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
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Rank: User Joined: 11/10/2010 Posts: 550 Location: Junction
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Raila dio baba na mama ya ODM. If Musalia wins to be ODM flag bearer, Raila will walk out and start another party. Only a fool cannot see that without Raila, the survival of ODM is nie. That is why we need to create parties that are not identified with individuals. Who does not know that Raila is a dictator worse than Moi? By inference, the man is all that Mr Phantom is not: an untrustworthy radical, divisive, too many enemies, a dictator, and a persistent liar...Gaitho dialogues.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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RO failure is in embedding himself too much in the Luo. Look at his two key defenders, spokesmen and advisors to his left Anyang Nyongo and Orengo James to his right. Now that's a losing combination. BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/1/2010 Posts: 143 Location: kenya
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keraka wrote:Arapsonkot you tell us.what do you think. I think his goose is cooked and he should kiss the game goodbye unless he has another card below the table forget the ICC. Sent from my iPad" is the new "Haters gonna hate".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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arapsonkot wrote:keraka wrote:Arapsonkot you tell us.what do you think. I think his goose is cooked and he should kiss the game goodbye unless he has another card below the table forget the ICC. It is possible, as someone pointed out, that Mudavadi is not serious with his bid and it is just a 'democracy' show.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/31/2008 Posts: 1,076
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For some time now, it has been clear that the determination and the movement to ensure that Raila does not become president was unstoppable. He was always going to be crushed at the ballot box. Those hanging on his coat tails will make the collateral damage. Mudavadi had to run to higher grounds to avoid being obliterated together with the target. Instincts of self preservation must have informed Mudavadi’s latest move. I don’t blame him. Dunia ni msongamano..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/31/2008 Posts: 7,081 Location: Kenya
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His exit from ODM would be inconsequential...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Magigi wrote:His exit from ODM would be inconsequential... I do not think so. Musalia's exit from ODM, if done bitterly, would heavily dent Odinga's bid. If I was RO, I would do anything to keep Musalia. Musalia on hos own wouldn't go far alone. Kalonzo would do better.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/7/2007 Posts: 2,182
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i think raila is like manchester united, he is always "finished" yet always comes on top. LOVE WHAT YOU DO, DO WHAT YOU LOVE.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
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Musalia was prevailed upon from western to grow balls. It was more of an ultimatum than a request otherwise his political career would be on the line. RAO must come good on the promise in the run up to last polls, that 2007 was his and 2012 he would support Musalia’s. He must honour that MOU. Besides, Western has a formidable political bargaining chip. Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/31/2008 Posts: 7,081 Location: Kenya
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Nandwa wrote: Musalia was prevailed upon from western to grow balls. It was more of an ultimatum than a request otherwise his political career would be on the line. RAO must come good on the promise in the run up to last polls, that 2007 was his and 2012 he would support Musalia’s. He must honour that MOU. Besides, Western has a formidable political bargaining chip.
...Mambo ilienda vingine...
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/30/2011 Posts: 483
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I think RAO wants MM to move out of ODM so that he can replace him with may be Sally Kosgei as running mate without having to do it so openly. MM knows it and that is why he has become assertive. This however will be a big mistake for ODM,like I said it before, other than Western there is not other substantial block for ODM excluding Luo Nyanza.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/22/2010 Posts: 510 Location: De egg
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Kweli RAO is a dictator and kigeugeu . Why are these guys now against Musalia challenging RAO ? I thought ODM was a democratic party but it seems like its club ya wenyewe . Some comments coming from RAO side make MM look like an outsider or vessel which should be used to cross the river . Run run man MM Peace be with you
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/11/2008 Posts: 2,306
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Much as I do not like Raila, I think he has been written off in the past and has pulled a fast one on his detractors. Only a very unserious (sp) politician would write him off. He may however have underestimated the gravity of the disadvantages he faces. There has been talk that he is busy grooming PK to be his running mate, hence ditching Musalia. Musalia may have seen this as utter betrayal and hence his tough talk - the guy was to have been dumped and enticed with a Nairobi Governor position. Based on his trade mark, Raila would never accept a Mudavadi win and would simply form another party and contest nonetheless. Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/25/2010 Posts: 939 Location: Nai
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...may the best one win the election but some sort of group MOU like the one done in 2002 will barely survive the full term if it wins the elections. Any of the hague 2 will be out of office in the 1st year because their cases will go to trial and they will have to quit or be forced to quit Buckle up for some circus!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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The ODM nominations are an excellent mock test for RAO. He is serious about winning the presidency so for reality check, he is giving himself a stiff work out with Mudavadi. If he can't beat Mudavadi, then his thinking is that there will be no point going for the presidency. That my friends is called democracy, all the other theories being fronted here by the usual suspects who write off RAO everyday in this forum are just that, theories. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: User Joined: 11/10/2010 Posts: 550 Location: Junction
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Nandwa wrote: Musalia was prevailed upon from western to grow balls. It was more of an ultimatum than a request otherwise his political career would be on the line. RAO must come good on the promise in the run up to last polls, that 2007 was his and 2012 he would support Musalia’s. He must honour that MOU. Besides, Western has a formidable political bargaining chip.
Madd Madd World last Saturday has Musalia with side mirror eyes. I have always thought Musalia to be having mental and vision retardation. Talked to a Luhya friend and on asking him why the Luo are not willing to support a Baluhia this time round, he said they have very little choice on the matter as the Luo have already given them a bad name (Calling them cousins) and no tribe in Kenya would be quick to associate with ODM luhyas as there are other luhyas who have distanced themselves with them. By inference, the man is all that Mr Phantom is not: an untrustworthy radical, divisive, too many enemies, a dictator, and a persistent liar...Gaitho dialogues.
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Rank: User Joined: 11/10/2010 Posts: 550 Location: Junction
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:The ODM nominations are an excellent mock test for RAO. He is serious about winning the presidency so for reality check, he is giving himself a stiff work out with Mudavadi.
If he can't beat Mudavadi, then his thinking is that there will be no point going for the presidency.
That my friends is called democracy, all the other theories being fronted here by the usual suspects who write off RAO everyday in this forum are just that, theories. Moi started delegates normination process in order to rig in his preferred candidate. Raila followed suit. Which group has more ppl, Luhyas or Luos? Would there be some Luhyas who would vote in favour of RO even when MM has put his hut into the ring? Actually, a good question is, would any Luo cast a vote in favour of MM instead of RO for ODM flag bearer? Just wondering. By inference, the man is all that Mr Phantom is not: an untrustworthy radical, divisive, too many enemies, a dictator, and a persistent liar...Gaitho dialogues.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/11/2008 Posts: 2,306
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Kihangeri wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:The ODM nominations are an excellent mock test for RAO. He is serious about winning the presidency so for reality check, he is giving himself a stiff work out with Mudavadi.
If he can't beat Mudavadi, then his thinking is that there will be no point going for the presidency.
That my friends is called democracy, all the other theories being fronted here by the usual suspects who write off RAO everyday in this forum are just that, theories. Moi started delegates normination process in order to rig in his preferred candidate. Raila followed suit. Which group has more ppl, Luhyas or Luos? Would there be some Luhyas who would vote in favour of RO even when MM has put his hut into the ring? Actually, a good question is, would any Luo cast a vote in favour of MM instead of RO for ODM flag bearer? Just wondering. You do not need to wonder, it will NEVER happen. If mudavadi won the nomination, it would be the end of ODM as we know it Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
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