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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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alma wrote:Lolest. I'm sorry to say but if there is one thing I am certain of in my life, is that Kalonzo will never become president of Kenya....That's a fact that he needs to be encouraged to understand. If he told me he was a man, I would insist on DNA tests and even then seek 5th and 6th opinions. In other words, no one believes a word coming out of his mouth. I may never like Uhuru, Ruto, Karua, PK, Kibaki or any of these other jokers people are trying to vote for, but I would never leave the keys to my house to someone I don't trust. That is the reason he has no constituency as the other comedians. I doubt if I will ever see in my life anyone consider kalonzo over uhuru, kalonzo over ruto, kalonzo over pk, kalonzo over befwoli. If Kalonzo stood against Wavinya Ndeti he would still lose. He knows it, that is the reason he's "pretending" to be very hurt by the Hague. He just wants to get the Uhuru and Ruto constituency. Even my cat knows that. And my cat spends most of its day licking its butt!!  So in this case, Kilonzo, even having spent most of his career licking the KANU baba na mama butt, is still the better option.   ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/22/2010 Posts: 510 Location: De egg
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ODM guys have been let loose to make Kalonzo look week . They know their biggest challenge will come from this guy . Fight him ignore him but the guy has strategy . He does not eat with his mouth open . Like him hate him the guy knows what is good for this country . Peace be with you
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/14/2007 Posts: 4,152
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alma wrote:Lolest. I'm sorry to say but if there is one thing I am certain of in my life, is that Kalonzo will never become president of Kenya....That's a fact that he needs to be encouraged to understand. If he told me he was a man, I would insist on DNA tests and even then seek 5th and 6th opinions. In other words, no one believes a word coming out of his mouth. I may never like Uhuru, Ruto, Karua, PK, Kibaki or any of these other jokers people are trying to vote for, but I would never leave the keys to my house to someone I don't trust. That is the reason he has no constituency as the other comedians. I doubt if I will ever see in my life anyone consider kalonzo over uhuru, kalonzo over ruto, kalonzo over pk, kalonzo over befwoli. If Kalonzo stood against Wavinya Ndeti he would still lose. He knows it, that is the reason he's "pretending" to be very hurt by the Hague. He just wants to get the Uhuru and Ruto constituency. Even my cat knows that. And my cat spends most of its day licking its butt!! So in this case, Kilonzo, even having spent most of his career licking the KANU baba na mama butt, is still the better option. Same talk was used against RAO before the 2007 elections....Remember people saying he's unelectable that he'll never make it to State House???? Btw no one has answered Lolest question......why do you hate Kalonzo??? Perhaps because he ditched ODM or maybe because you think he's indecisive!!!! UK, RAO, WR, MM have all been accused of worse things compared to this guy....from Corruption, Murder to attempted Coup but you think they are somehow better.....enyewe tumepotea! Do't get me wrong i'm not saying that he can make a good President but at least he has a clean record. Just for the record, i believe if UK and WR rally their supporters behind Kalonzo he can beat RAO.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/6/2009 Posts: 108 Location: nairobi
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Courtesy of citizen news, ahmednasir completely trashes mutulas views,so two lawyers who cant agree on the interpretation of the constitution.who would i trust.ahmednasir has a record to run on,mutula has a record to run from(a career build courtesy of a phonecall from state house). if you aint livin on the edge,you are taking too much space....
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 1,590
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Apparently, stevo wanted to be a pastor or a dj then he'd be called pastor stevo o dj stevo on the mic. Anyway, Kalonzo has always played both sides. If you go back to 2002, he was the last one to crossover to LDP. In 2007, he was katikati.Referendum he was yes by night, no at night time and so forth. Right now, Mutula (surrogate as always) is playing plan A. Saying (rightly) that Uhuruto shouldn't run. While Kalonzo shows active support for the two hooligans. Sehemu ndio nyumba
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/31/2008 Posts: 1,076
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Who let ODM out! The is to much woofing in the air! Little rationale. One would want to engage in a discussion that is informed of rational arguments. Kilonzo is the Secretary General of Wiper Party. He is aware that any utterance he makes, that has political ramifications would be construed to be the position of his party. On the Uhuru/Ruto issue, he made far reaching pronouncements, laced with insinuations and contempt for the two. Kalonzo and the Wiper party asked him to go public and clarify that his utterances were not necessarily the positon of the party. Mutula declined to do it. If he did, that would have settled the matter. He was meant to call a press conference on Thursday 26th Feb - last week to make that distintion, but instead he chose to call the entire party leadership names as he dismissed them contemptously. In the interest of civil and orderly resolution of issues, the Party called for their top organ meeting, where Mutula was invited, to discuss and settle the matter. Mutula again declined to attend and further publicly dismmised them. It is clear Mutula is employing the tactics of a Bull in a China shop. That is the beef between Mutula nad his party - and by extention the party Boss. Dunia ni msongamano..
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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Mainat wrote:Apparently, stevo wanted to be a pastor or a dj then he'd be called pastor stevo o dj stevo on the mic.
Anyway, Kalonzo has always played both sides. If you go back to 2002, he was the last one to crossover to LDP. In 2007, he was katikati.Referendum he was yes by night, no at night time and so forth.
Right now, Mutula (surrogate as always) is playing plan A. Saying (rightly) that Uhuruto shouldn't run. While Kalonzo shows active support for the two hooligans. Really? I thought Mutula indicated that if Watermelon Democratic Party (WDP) want him out, he has 21 parties that have shown an indication to take him in. I don't think he is doing this for Kalonzo... When UK talked about a hyena following a man with a hanging hand, hoping to snap at it at the opportune time, was he referring to SKM?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Mainat wrote:
Anyway, Kalonzo has always played both sides. If you go back to 2002, he was the last one to crossover to LDP.
I don't think this is a fact. My recollection tells me they moved out together but Musalia defected back to KANU. Kalonzo was expected to turn back like Musalia but he surprised many when he stood his ground in NARC. On Musalia, how come no one accuses him of being undecided yet he changed his position in a couple of days? On Raila, how come we all think he is very resolute while he sat with Kibaki in a press conference after the 1997 elections where they denounced Moi's rule and agreed not to recognise the results of the Presidential elections only for him to turn away from Kibaki and start working with Moi a few days later?
The same Raila was at the helm of KANU as Sec Gen after the March 18 2002 kisirani elections and yet came back to tell me that KANU was evil in the 02 general elections! You say Kalonzo is an opportunist? Why do you think Raila cooperated and later joined Moi's KANU? Were his circumstances actually not less justifiable than Kalonzo's joining of Kibaki govt 10 yrs later? Coz you see in 1997, we had a hung parliament: KANU had a majority but it was not a clear majority! Raila did not join KANU to weaken it as he lied to you. He believed Moi would consider him for endorsement for the BIG SEAT!!
This same Raila was in an MOU with Nyachae which he broke and went on to make a new MOU with NAK. What do you call this?
In 2007, he was katikati.
What do you mean katikati? The Odinga group was tha one which defected to ODM from ODM-K. As for 2008 alliance with Kibaki, read my comment above.
Referendum he was yes by night, no at night time and so forth.
On the referendum I tend to agree with you guys a bit BUT I believe Steve wanted to side with the church but chose to back it so as not to annoy the general electorate and also not to go against the principle of collective responsibility.
Right now, Mutula (surrogate as always) is playing plan A. Saying (rightly) that Uhuruto shouldn't run.
I am yet to comment on Mutula. I respect his experience in law. NO ONE in any reply to this thread has pointed out the legal basis for backing what you call the Kalonzo or Kilonzo position. But let's not forget that the lagal fraternity is also divided in opinion. Ahmednasir, who doesn't take political sides, says Mutula is wrong! When will the debate on the legal issues sorrounding this issue be debated by wazuans? When they saw the name Kalonzo they started their cliche hate statements on KM and avoided raising the real issues around it!
While Kalonzo shows active support for the two hooligans.
Kalonzo Musyoka is a politician. He is not a self-righteous, pontificating wazuan. He is looking at how he can get more votes. If he sticks to Uhuruto, he MAY just benefit from their lockout.
I can bet that if Kalonzo had opined that Uhuruto should not run he would still have been branded opportunist hoping to eat the spoils from Uhuruto constituencies!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
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Drunkard wrote:@Lolest
You're the kind of people letting down Kenya, you either believe Kalonzo or Kilonzo on the ICC issue, we're not asking anyone to justify anything or to be in anyone shoe.
Who do you believe, Kalonzo or Kilonzo? My ODM-ometer suggests that this guy couldnt be Kalenjin and he claims. The level of his PH on the ODMometer is such that he must be from the core of ODM. Highly concentrated! Just review his thinking pattern - post in wazua!! Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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McReggae wrote:alma wrote:Lolest. I'm sorry to say but if there is one thing I am certain of in my life, is that Kalonzo will never become president of Kenya....That's a fact that he needs to be encouraged to understand. If he told me he was a man, I would insist on DNA tests and even then seek 5th and 6th opinions. In other words, no one believes a word coming out of his mouth. I may never like Uhuru, Ruto, Karua, PK, Kibaki or any of these other jokers people are trying to vote for, but I would never leave the keys to my house to someone I don't trust. That is the reason he has no constituency as the other comedians. I doubt if I will ever see in my life anyone consider kalonzo over uhuru, kalonzo over ruto, kalonzo over pk, kalonzo over befwoli. If Kalonzo stood against Wavinya Ndeti he would still lose. He knows it, that is the reason he's "pretending" to be very hurt by the Hague. He just wants to get the Uhuru and Ruto constituency. Even my cat knows that. And my cat spends most of its day licking its butt!! So in this case, Kilonzo, even having spent most of his career licking the KANU baba na mama butt, is still the better option. Ati licking what? Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Nandwa wrote:Drunkard wrote:@Lolest
You're the kind of people letting down Kenya, you either believe Kalonzo or Kilonzo on the ICC issue, we're not asking anyone to justify anything or to be in anyone shoe.
Who do you believe, Kalonzo or Kilonzo? My ODM-ometer suggests that this guy couldnt be Kalenjin and he claims. The level of his PH on the ODMometer is such that he must be from the core of ODM. Highly concentrated! Just review his thinking pattern - post in wazua!! ..until you look at the post where he chambuad kalenjin politics!!!!...you assume that no kale is supporting ODM now!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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A leader leads from the front and its what best for Kenya, not for individual politics. He's always in between,in the middle, never decisive. That's not a leader, that's a stooge. When has Kalonzo stood up for anything, for the good of the country? He's a self-centered , good for nothing turncoat. Remember his backstabbing of Ngilu just coz she, Ngilu was becoming a darling of the Ukambani masses with all the boreholes? Ever been to Kalonzo's ancestral land? If you seem to be doing well, you are summoned, to answer what it is that you are trying to prove. How about the genesis of his new home past Thika. Those who believe he's the man,@ n the ilk, go ahead,dish Kenya to the hyenas,dogs got class.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/14/2007 Posts: 4,152
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mkeiy wrote:A leader leads from the front and its what best for Kenya, not for individual politics. He's always in between,in the middle, never decisive. That's not a leader, that's a stooge. I'll tell you who is a stooge, MM....this guy is totally hopeless. At least SKM has a mind of his own and is not afraid to express his opinion however weird it may be. Apart from the perceived votes he brings from Western, does he really add any other value to RAO's presidential ambitions. He would make a very useless VP! What happened to people like PK, MK, RT...these are the politicians i wouldn't hesitate voting for, otherwise when it comes to UK, SKM, RAO, WR nothing will change!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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mkeiy wrote: Those who believe he's the man,@ n the ilk, go ahead,dish Kenya to the hyenas,dogs got class. Where or when did I campaign for Kalonzo? Please quote it!! Kalonzo has 1 supporter in wazua na sio mimi! I just don't get why he receives so much hate. I have called on you guys to justify why you hate him and the replies have not been forthcoming.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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mkeiy wrote:A leader leads from the front and its what best for Kenya, not for individual politics. He's always in between,in the middle, never decisive. That's not a leader, that's a stooge. When has Kalonzo stood up for anything, for the good of the country? He's a self-centered , good for nothing turncoat. Remember his backstabbing of Ngilu just coz she, Ngilu was becoming a darling of the Ukambani masses with all the boreholes? Ever been to Kalonzo's ancestral land? If you seem to be doing well, you are summoned, to answer what it is that you are trying to prove. How about the genesis of his new home past Thika. Those who believe he's the man,@ n the ilk, go ahead,dish Kenya to the hyenas,dogs got class. BTW, you sound like you are from Ngilu's place. Ngilu is indefensible on her corruption cases. If she was of GEMA ethnicity she would not be a minister today. Are u saying Musyoka is corrupt?
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/27/2010 Posts: 262
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I think the genesis of Kalonzo's image problems stems from the disputed 2007 elections.Prior to that he somewhat cut a Mr.clean image (difficult to sell in Kenyan politics).The perception was that the violence could have been averted if he chose to support one side instead of 'kupitia katikati yao".Some other politicians may do worse than him and be easily forgiven.Not so for Kalonzo I think the indecisive,spineless etc tag will haunt him for along time. Apparently there is nothing that cannot happen today!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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hoodrat wrote:I think the genesis of Kalonzo's image problems stems from the disputed 2007 elections.Prior to that he somewhat cut a Mr.clean image (difficult to sell in Kenyan politics).The perception was that the violence could have been averted if he chose to support one side instead of 'kupitia katikati yao".Some other politicians may do worse than him and be easily forgiven.Not so for Kalonzo I think the indecisive,spineless etc tag will haunt him for along time. After the disputed elections, you remember how he declared after a church service at Baptist Ngong road how hata hiyo VP hawezi chukua and immediately changed tune in a few days if not the next day...
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/27/2010 Posts: 262
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nostoppingthis wrote:hoodrat wrote:I think the genesis of Kalonzo's image problems stems from the disputed 2007 elections.Prior to that he somewhat cut a Mr.clean image (difficult to sell in Kenyan politics).The perception was that the violence could have been averted if he chose to support one side instead of 'kupitia katikati yao".Some other politicians may do worse than him and be easily forgiven.Not so for Kalonzo I think the indecisive,spineless etc tag will haunt him for along time. After the disputed elections, you remember how he declared after a church service at Baptist Ngong road how hata hiyo VP hawezi chukua and immediately changed tune in a few days if not the next day... He seemed to enjoy the drama unfold and waiting in the wings for scraps from any side! Apparently there is nothing that cannot happen today!
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/11/2009 Posts: 302
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"There are no morals in politics; only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel." -- Vladimir Lenin
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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nostoppingthis wrote:Mainat wrote:Apparently, stevo wanted to be a pastor or a dj then he'd be called pastor stevo o dj stevo on the mic.
Anyway, Kalonzo has always played both sides. If you go back to 2002, he was the last one to crossover to LDP. In 2007, he was katikati.Referendum he was yes by night, no at night time and so forth.
Right now, Mutula (surrogate as always) is playing plan A. Saying (rightly) that Uhuruto shouldn't run. While Kalonzo shows active support for the two hooligans. Really? I thought Mutula indicated that if Watermelon Democratic Party (WDP) want him out, he has 21 parties that have shown an indication to take him in. I don't think he is doing this for Kalonzo... When UK talked about a hyena following a man with a hanging hand, hoping to snap at it at the opportune time, was he referring to SKM? I hear ODM wants to take him in and elect him the Governor of Nairobi!! Wiper party will donate him for free – no transfer fees necessary. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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