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Kenya Debt Watch
eboomerang
#111 Posted : Monday, November 28, 2011 7:09:18 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Stop being naive guys. Show me one country that was built with hard cash.

My guy! who is naive here Shame on you

I'm not sure you know what you are talking about. You really need to understand how some of the G20 countries operate and then come back to your comment.
Cde Monomotapa
#112 Posted : Monday, November 28, 2011 8:15:25 PM
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Maybe u school me on the Euro SOVEREIGN DEBT crisis about smile cash or credit?
GGK
#113 Posted : Monday, November 28, 2011 9:05:29 PM
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I just read the Highlights of Kenya’s Debt Strategy by Treasury present at the OECD Forum in Paris in Nov 2009.

The number of assumptions made in the strategy is mind-boggling. How do they manage with so many assumptions? No wonder am not an economist.
"..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
Scubidu
#114 Posted : Tuesday, November 29, 2011 9:14:15 AM
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accelriskconsult wrote:
Scubidu wrote:
Mainat wrote:
Scubidu-you've been MIA hope its for a good cause.
Yes, ile ndeni this mzee will leave us with is a work of ugly art. Imho, its easy to look good when you are splashing out but even when its on good projects, you still need to remember its borrowed cash.
Imho, our choice of the next president must be informed by:
Either we get a president with the strategy to grow the economy at 10% pa (without additional borrowing).
Or one who will help Kenya cuts its cloth accordingly.


@mainat. Always for a good cause, but u still have the record... u were away for year, last i remember.
We're pretty much screwed on the borrowing side... as long as cbk is not independent. But we borrow for so much unncessary crap, like military... we can't even take museveni on in a fair fight.
Unfortunately for prezzo, the latest increase in debt has been pure revaluation... guess that's why he's getting serious on exchange rates.
Off topic though. Ive been catching up on The Banking (Amendment) Bill, 2011. The new sections are limiting the interest rates spread. The MPC will set the lending rate and a cbk base rate will determine deposit rates. Bankers will not be happy.



Guys do you think the CBK has been acting as the lender of last resort?


I think recently they've tried to reinforce that point... I think they are doing a good job of restoring their lender-of-last-resort facility. But they start doing it now when perhaps the market needs them to be a little bit more lenient. Ino some Tier 3 banks paying a high cost of funds right now, it would be good for them to access cheaper money rather than go bankrupt.
“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
Scubidu
#115 Posted : Tuesday, November 29, 2011 11:19:03 PM
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GGK wrote:
I just read the Highlights of Kenya’s Debt Strategy by Treasury present at the OECD Forum in Paris in Nov 2009.

The number of assumptions made in the strategy is mind-boggling. How do they manage with so many assumptions? No wonder am not an economist.


I think the assumptions are not too bad. I'm sure they try to build really complicated models (when sometimes things aren't so complex). But without the assumptions you'd probably be groping in the dark.

One good thing for sure is that although our debt is rising fast we're not yet facing a payment crisis. The external debt is concessionary (with payments suspended for many years) and domestic debt is increasingly becoming short (cause people expect inflation to fall).

In terms of making assumptions on debt sustainability... it shouldn't be too hard given the above. The debt strategy has been thrown out of whack momentarily becoz of inflation, but it's safe to assume we're not in bad shape with regard to paying off the cost of debt in the long term. In the short term... let's wait and see.
“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
Scubidu
#116 Posted: : Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:38:48 PM
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So the stats guys crunched the numbers. They told us Kenya debt to GDP was 56.6% in September 2011, then 46.6% in November 2011. I was shocked, in awe. We cut debt to GDP by 10% in two months? Or put another way GDP grew 19.1% in two months... keep cooking those figures boys (cos right now it's well done).

Download the reports below:

http://www.treasury.go.k...mp;gid=108&Itemid=54
“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
hisah
#117 Posted : Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:04:10 PM
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[quote=Scubidu]So the stats guys crunched the numbers. They told us Kenya debt to GDP was 56.6% in September 2011, then 46.6% in November 2011. I was shocked, in awe. We cut debt to GDP by 10% in two months? Or put another way GDP grew 19.1% in two months... keep cooking those figures boys (cos right now it's well done).

Download the reports below:

http://www.treasury.go.k...p;gid=108&Itemid=54[/quote]

KE Treasury houdini stuff... With ponzinomics anything is possible. Don't be shocked, this is not taught in normal schools you know Think
That GDP growth would even get the chings to camp here to learn the bewitching tricks...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Cde Monomotapa
#118 Posted : Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:58:00 PM
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Haven't U factored KES strength over the period? OMG...
Scubidu
#119 Posted : Thursday, February 02, 2012 10:19:34 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Haven't U factored KES strength over the period? OMG...


yes. the change in November is 80b in that one month alone when shilling appreciated. That's a 10% change in debt from reval alone. very impressive. But that's can't explain the GDP ratio.
“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
Cde Monomotapa
#120 Posted : Thursday, February 02, 2012 11:46:30 AM
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Scubidu wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Haven't U factored KES strength over the period? OMG...


yes. the change in November is 80b in that one month alone when shilling appreciated. That's a 10% change in debt from reval alone. very impressive. But that's can't explain the GDP ratio.

GDP is static my friend.
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