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One third rule
bwenyenye
#1 Posted : Tuesday, January 31, 2012 11:27:01 AM
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Watu,

I had an interesting discussion with some pal jana. She says that she took out a mortgage at a rate of 12% and was evaluated for that amount. Barely two years into the payment, the bank doubled the rate and she is supposed to pay about double what she had been paying. The issue that roused me was the fact that the amount being demanded by the bank goes beyond what she is legally allowed to be deducted i.e her take home goes below the one third threshold.
^ Is the bank legally allowed to deduct the new amuount?
^ Can she be legally obliged to pay an amount she would never have qualified for even at the beginning
^ What way out does she have ( she does not want to lose he house)

Please help good people
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McReggae
#2 Posted : Tuesday, January 31, 2012 11:53:58 AM
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bwenyenye wrote:
Watu,

I had an interesting discussion with some pal jana. She says that she took out a mortgage at a rate of 12% and was evaluated for that amount. Barely two years into the payment, the bank doubled the rate and she is supposed to pay about double what she had been paying. The issue that roused me was the fact that the amount being demanded by the bank goes beyond what she is legally allowed to be deducted i.e her take home goes below the one third threshold.
^ Is the bank legally allowed to deduct the new amuount?
^ Can she be legally obliged to pay an amount she would never have qualified for even at the beginning
^ What way out does she have ( she does not want to lose he house)

Please help good people


If the interest is doubled the amount being deducted should not double as it includes the principal!!!!!

....me thinks her 1/3rd take home should stay protected, the law I don't know!!!!
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Kwanini
#3 Posted : Tuesday, January 31, 2012 11:58:21 AM
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the third rule applies. what my bank does is to increase the repayment period. The issue is somewhere in the fine print.
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bwenyenye
#4 Posted : Tuesday, January 31, 2012 3:25:12 PM
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Kwanini wrote:
the third rule applies. what my bank does is to increase the repayment period. The issue is somewhere in the fine print.


@ Mc Reggae... once a bank doubles its rate, the repayments over the same period actually almost (90%) double. Try that with a loan calculator! That is how thieving our banks are!

@Kwanini.. how can she make the bank stop the deductions? She says she already informed them in writing and they went quiet but kept deducting.

any banker, lawyer with insight on ths plight? I am meeting her again on friday and I hope to have a solution.
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Gordon Gekko
#5 Posted : Tuesday, January 31, 2012 4:48:18 PM
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The current scenario is a very painful but short term phenomena. To keep her head above the water, the repayment MUST somehow cover the interest for the month and have something (however small) for the principal, otherwise the loan amount will increase. The bank will be quite happy to have the loan amount increase as that would precipitate default and hence repossession.
GGK
#6 Posted : Tuesday, January 31, 2012 6:50:39 PM
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The ONE THIRD RULE is not applied like that.
the proponents of the rule wanted to protect employees from over-committing the salary to a point where they cannot provide for upkeep hence no motivation to work.

Given that you pal is being deducted from the bank and not from payroll, there is nothing she can do about it, save for renegotiating the terms by may be extending the payment period.

It will be painful in the short-term because its a contract unless she wants to loose the house.
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StatMeister
#7 Posted : Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:47:59 PM
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@Bwenyenye, 1/3 rule applies to government employees, and specifically to deductions 'at source'. The motivation for this was not consumer protection (most culprits were MFIs and SACCOs rather than banks), but actually, employees were taking so many loans so that total repayments were MORE THAN net salary, meaning the paymaster was expected to remit a negative salary.

What the paymaster instead did was to remit to lenders repayments (almost) equal to the net salary, with 2 serious implications:
1. The paymaster was expected to 'remember' how much arrears the employee owed lenders
2. Lenders complained when their expected remittances did not come, and often petitioned when their repayment was dropped in favour of another institution

The government was fed up and decided lenders my foot


Second, when a customer signs a loan contract, it essentially is a contract for paying:
1. principal
2. an interest rate future(s) contract


Some banks offer customers a choice between variable rate and fixed rates. The interest rate contract covers the funding of the principal amount. In the first case, the principal is funded by money borrowed from the same market as funds government paper, in the second case, the customer transfers the funding risk to the bank and pays a premium for it.

I assure you that when the lady took a loan, mortgages were available in the market, likely as:
a. 14% fixed rate (entire life of loan)
b. 12% variable rate

Seeing the fixed rate was 6% costlier (in terms of monthly repayment), she made the unfortunate decision to take a variable rate.

General advice, never agree a contract that ties you with a FUTURE / FORWARD and leaves a bank with an OPTION

To answer your questions:
a. the bank is not entitled to deduct money, its just a convenience to the customer. BUT, she is obliged to arrange for the monthly repayment to reflect in the banks books (in this case, the loan account)
b. she is obliged to make payments as per contract. If the new repayment is within contract terms, YES
c. The only way out is hope to God interest rate pressure eases. She can also negotiate for a repayment plan (as noted by GGK) where as a minimum she must meet interest rate obligation
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Drunkard
#8 Posted : Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:53:21 PM
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@bwenyenye,

My advice here is for the person to stop direct deduction from the account, for instance open a different account that way the back won't have the key to your money.

Secondly, request for adjustment on the payments, they will not change the interest rates but they are going to adjust duration. Banks are not in the business of selling houses so they do not want you to walk out of your house, the more desparate you're to keep your house the more they'll push you, but if you leave the option of walking out of the mortgage they'll make a deal.
bwenyenye
#9 Posted : Wednesday, February 01, 2012 3:34:58 PM
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Cheers guys! Very insightful. Infact, I think she better talk to the bank.
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bwenyenye
#10 Posted : Wednesday, February 01, 2012 3:58:44 PM
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But guys is it legal for a bank to lend you money you cannot repay? is that not why they take time to analyse your incomes and determine how much you qualify for? what if she goes to court ( it is a civil matter anyway). When she is called up, she acknowledges the debt ( therefore no case) and agrees to pay at half what she used to pay till completion!

Is that a viable solution? ( Other than being listed as the CRB (which should be full by the end of this year anyway))
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StatMeister
#11 Posted : Wednesday, February 01, 2012 7:05:54 PM
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bwenyenye wrote:
But guys is it legal for a bank to lend you money you cannot repay? is that not why they take time to analyse your incomes and determine how much you qualify for? what if she goes to court ( it is a civil matter anyway). When she is called up, she acknowledges the debt ( therefore no case) and agrees to pay at half what she used to pay till completion!

Is that a viable solution? ( Other than being listed as the CRB (which should be full by the end of this year anyway))


I'll wait for 2011 FY bank results to verify
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