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Capital and running a business
McReggae
#1 Posted : Friday, September 04, 2009 11:01:00 AM
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Hey guys I need some advice. You have a business proposal that sounds cool and sound. Two partners,you provide the capital while your partner fully runs the business......question of trust already settled,what should be the profit sharing ratio?

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Sasha
#2 Posted : Friday, September 04, 2009 12:12:00 PM
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@McReggae: It will depend on how much capital you and your partners have contributed. The partner who's running the business should have a salary, while you who will not be involved in running the business should not have a salary!

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McReggae
#3 Posted : Friday, September 04, 2009 12:28:00 PM
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We need to be partners but he aint raising any part of the capital!!!!


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Sasha
#4 Posted : Friday, September 04, 2009 12:43:00 PM
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If he does not contribute capital, then the issue of profit sharing should not arise. If he does not contribute capital, how does he become a partner? A salary should be enough!

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jaheim
#5 Posted : Saturday, September 05, 2009 11:30:00 AM
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Yeah sasha,if hes not contributing capital then he's not a partner but the manager of the buisiness and salary should do. If he really does want to be a partner he can do so in the future if you could come up with an arrangement which can be easy if you do sell him a fraction of the buisiness by re-coup some of his salary into the buisiness. Eg if you do invest 400k in the buisiness as capital and you decide to pay him 50k on salary,you may give him 40 if he's happy and retain 10k. After 10 months you might could stop paying him salary and instead you start sharing the profit in the ration of 3:1 talk thats the only way he can become a partner if he doesnt have money to contribute the capital currently

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McReggae
#6 Posted : Saturday, September 05, 2009 2:23:00 PM
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Yu guys mean to say one cannot be a partner coz of proximity,ability n knowledge to run a business.

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..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
kenmac
#7 Posted : Saturday, September 05, 2009 6:20:00 PM
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@mcreggae.......how much would you pay for the business proposal? To start with,get the fair market value of that business plan based on professionally written business plans,take this value as the initial capital contribution from your partner.........calculate the ratios of your contributions into the biz..........and use this ratio in sharing of profits & losses....then agree on the salary of your partner based on his professional skills,ability and market rates; his salary should not be incorporated as capital contribution but as a business expense before profit/ loss computation........my two cents

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Sasha
#8 Posted : Monday, September 07, 2009 7:10:00 AM
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@Reggaeman: If you need a partner based on the criteria you've put down (i.e. proximity,knowledge of business) then your best bet is what jaheim has put down. Put him/her on a salary and retain part of it as his/her capital contribution. Then when sharing profits/losses for the year, you can share it by the ratio of your capital accounts. Do not forget, like kenmac has said, that the salary should be a business expense before calcuation of profits.

On another point, can your partner bring anything else to the business e.g. an asset? If they can, then you will need to review your partnership agreement to qualify the exact nature of your engagement.


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Ericks
#9 Posted : Monday, September 07, 2009 1:27:00 PM
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You can agree on the structures within which you want to run the business,e.g you can come up with profit sharing ratios by quantifying in monetary terms the services of the partner who runs the biz vis a vis the capital you contribute. one way of doing this is to come up with a salary structure. Assuming the salary payable to the partner running the business is 50k and you contributed 500k as initial capital,we can capitalize his salary and assume he/she owns 50/550% (i.e new capital is 500 + 50 = 550) of the business therefore the P/L sharing ratio would 1:50/550,second month the ratio changes to 1:100/600. etc.. by so doing,the business is growing and the sharing ratio moves to par with ease..

My two zim cents

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McReggae
#10 Posted : Monday, September 07, 2009 1:32:00 PM
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Guys,thanx for the contributions.........now got ideas on how to go about it!!!!




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