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SACCO Shares vs SACCO deposits
seppuku
#1 Posted : Sunday, January 29, 2012 2:14:50 PM
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Hello good people of the earth! I have had this question gnawing at the back of my mind for a while now. It appears simple, even to myself, but I do not know the answer. I joined a SACCO not so long ago. Every time I read through their documents, two confusing terms keep coming up: shares and deposits. The reason I am confused is that every month I "deposit" money into my SACCO account ostensibly to buy more "shares". Then I come across a statement like this in their annual report:

"The management committee proposes a dividend of 30% (2010: 25%) on members’ share capital
and 11.7% (2010: 11%) on the members’ deposits for the year ended 31 December 2011."


What, pray tell, does this really mean? Somebody please set it straight for the greenhorns... Anxious
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BGL
#2 Posted : Sunday, January 29, 2012 3:23:24 PM
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Share capital = Represents your ownership of the SACCO, It is not withdrable, if you decide on leaving the SACCO you have to transfer/sell them to someone else.

Deposits = Money that you demand and is paid back to you within the limits stated on the by-laws of the SACCO when you decide on leaving the SACCO.
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jerry
#3 Posted : Sunday, January 29, 2012 3:44:44 PM
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When you join a SACCO you have to BUY "a share of the SACCO" to become a MEMBA! This is normally a small amount compared to deposits. It's like 3k, 5k, and you earn dividends on this. This is what gives you ownership of the SACCO. The deposits you make earns you interest. The share-capital takes care of the infrastructure like seats, computers, cars, buildings, etc. Note also that you can transfer your deposits (or part of ) and still remain a member thro ur shareholding. In SACCOs each member has an equal share of theWhole and hence voting is one-MAN-one-VOTE.
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seppuku
#4 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2012 9:15:13 AM
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Thanks for your replies. You sucked out a bit of the mystery. However, it's funny that SACCOs then, appear to have an infinite number of shares. I say this because whenever a new member joins, they need not purchase shareholding from another member as is the case with limited companies.

Secondly, I do not see anywhere in the by-laws where the distinction between shares and deposits is made clear - as if it is not important enough a matter to investors. Yet, looking at the part of their annual report that I quoted two posts ago, the distinction is obviously imperative. In other words, I do not remember specifying the distribution (between shares and deposits) of my salary-deducted remittances to the SACCO. Nobody asked me. In fact, in their allotment form, I can only see boxes for shares, benevolent fund and loan repayments.

Lastly, it seems that in my SACCO, different members can have different amounts of shareholding - although the policy still stipulates a one-member-one-vote policy. This is in contrast to jerry's assertion.

Now, here are two other things I am wondering about.

a) Is it always the case that dividends earned on shares by far exceed interest paid on deposits?

b) Assuming a) above, doesn't it make sense then, to own more in shares than in deposits?

PS: One of these days I'm planning to make a trip to my SACCO office and I hope I'll come out wiser. In the meantime, let anyone feel free to share what they know about these matters for the benefit of others who may be in need of the same information. I'll be back with answers too, when I get them.
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seppuku
#5 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2012 9:46:49 AM
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Here's the closest the by-laws come to distinguishing between shares and deposits: "The Management Committee
may classify share and deposit accounts and may declare dividends at
variable rates for each type of account"


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luxel
#6 Posted : Tuesday, January 31, 2012 2:42:48 PM
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@seppuku,
It is not always the case that dividend are higher than interest. How much to pay for each category is just a management decision depending on the objective e.g if they want to raise share capital (to meet sasra regulations) they are likely to offer a higher dividend to entice members. Remember that once you buy more share to enjoy the high dividend you will not be able to reverse the investment in future if they decide to lower the dividend yield.

Jerry assertion is correct. i.e regardless of the amount a member has in share capital, when it comes to voting you are entitled to one vote just like every other member.
Layman
#7 Posted : Tuesday, January 31, 2012 2:56:40 PM
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luxel wrote:
@seppuku,

Jerry assertion is correct. i.e regardless of the amount a member has in share capital, when it comes to voting you are entitled to one vote just like every other member.


.......and that explains why they are not limited companies so saccos or Co-operatives dont have to display xristics of LTD Companies, please dont compare the two.
jerry
#8 Posted : Tuesday, January 31, 2012 4:03:05 PM
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@seppuku. Rate of dividends and interest payment may not be the only determinant when it comes to doing ur savings. Some saccos secure loans on deposits only and not on shares. So if u are for credit like me u go for deposits. But is it true as a member u can choose how much goes to Shares?
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seppuku
#9 Posted : Wednesday, February 01, 2012 8:08:01 AM
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@luxel, that's an important point you make.

@jerry, that too. I'll check with my SACCO about what they base their credit issuance on.

Meanwhile, I am waiting to see my first statement so I can tell for sure where my monthly contribution has been going. Is it to shares or to deposits? That has not been made very clear to me.

@Layman, not to discount your contribution but I think any two things can be compared and contrasted - at least in theory. It occurs to me that SACCOs have a notion of "ownership" analogous to what happens in a Limited Liability Company. In both, you "own" a chunk of the whole by purchasing shares against which dividends may be paid. In contrast, possessing more shares in a SACCO does not equate to greater voting power for you.
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anika66
#10 Posted : Monday, February 13, 2012 12:56:15 AM
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This is very good education for me. In my sacco they have a system where if you save upto a certain category, then you are required to 'hike' your share (the ownership part) to a certain level. I didnt know that this share earns some income, now that i do, i am going to try ane ensure I save more so as to reach the next band which will qualify me to enter a certain blacket. Thanks Wazua for all the financial education I am getting
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