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McReggae
#31 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2012 5:56:40 PM
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freiks wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
kimiri wrote:
Being aware of the crimes that Mungiki has meted on helpless Kenyans, I have always harbored some disdain for Uhuru for his alleged association with the sect. But I do not buy the claim that Kibaki knowingly hosted a meeting with Mungiki to plan the retaliatory attacks. In fact, the claim that Mungiki could be using the ICC cases to settle a score with Kibaki for the way his government has dealt with them sounds more credible to me. And if this is the case, it may actually be disastrous for the prosecution because the threshold in securing a conviction during the actual trials will be much higher than during the confirmation hearings. If the prosecution does not address some of the glaring inconsistencies in its evidence, it is likely that some if not all of the 4 suspects will walk.


Very possible. The war on Mungiki was around 2005-2007.

But is it also possible that they mended fences over the election? Could Kibaki have invited the goons to get their few votes(how many are the ngiki anyway?)

Maina and Mungiki's association with Raila also makes their claims suspect.


I remember RAO visited Njenga in prison and gave him some funny book, its really surprising that most of us can never smell a rat.......


Even if Raila wanted help from Njenga, he wouldn't get it....FACT!!!!.....in PEV we talking Naivasha n' Naks.......the pointer is clear!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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masukuma
#32 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:04:48 PM
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McReggae wrote:
freiks wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
kimiri wrote:
Being aware of the crimes that Mungiki has meted on helpless Kenyans, I have always harbored some disdain for Uhuru for his alleged association with the sect. But I do not buy the claim that Kibaki knowingly hosted a meeting with Mungiki to plan the retaliatory attacks. In fact, the claim that Mungiki could be using the ICC cases to settle a score with Kibaki for the way his government has dealt with them sounds more credible to me. And if this is the case, it may actually be disastrous for the prosecution because the threshold in securing a conviction during the actual trials will be much higher than during the confirmation hearings. If the prosecution does not address some of the glaring inconsistencies in its evidence, it is likely that some if not all of the 4 suspects will walk.


Very possible. The war on Mungiki was around 2005-2007.

But is it also possible that they mended fences over the election? Could Kibaki have invited the goons to get their few votes(how many are the ngiki anyway?)

Maina and Mungiki's association with Raila also makes their claims suspect.


I remember RAO visited Njenga in prison and gave him some funny book, its really surprising that most of us can never smell a rat.......


Even if Raila wanted help from Njenga, he wouldn't get it....FACT!!!!.....in PEV we talking Naivasha n' Naks.......the pointer is clear!!!!


if you want to disenfranchise people - always start a discussion with seconds. this is what PEV violence in Naivasha and Naks is all about - show the retaliation and angry response in total exclusion of what happened before. Too bad - you cannot wish away history.
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freiks
#33 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2012 10:54:48 PM
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masukuma wrote:
McReggae wrote:
freiks wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
kimiri wrote:
Being aware of the crimes that Mungiki has meted on helpless Kenyans, I have always harbored some disdain for Uhuru for his alleged association with the sect. But I do not buy the claim that Kibaki knowingly hosted a meeting with Mungiki to plan the retaliatory attacks. In fact, the claim that Mungiki could be using the ICC cases to settle a score with Kibaki for the way his government has dealt with them sounds more credible to me. And if this is the case, it may actually be disastrous for the prosecution because the threshold in securing a conviction during the actual trials will be much higher than during the confirmation hearings. If the prosecution does not address some of the glaring inconsistencies in its evidence, it is likely that some if not all of the 4 suspects will walk.


Very possible. The war on Mungiki was around 2005-2007.

But is it also possible that they mended fences over the election? Could Kibaki have invited the goons to get their few votes(how many are the ngiki anyway?)

Maina and Mungiki's association with Raila also makes their claims suspect.


I remember RAO visited Njenga in prison and gave him some funny book, its really surprising that most of us can never smell a rat.......


Even if Raila wanted help from Njenga, he wouldn't get it....FACT!!!!.....in PEV we talking Naivasha n' Naks.......the pointer is clear!!!!


if you want to disenfranchise people - always start a discussion with seconds. this is what PEV violence in Naivasha and Naks is all about - show the retaliation and angry response in total exclusion of what happened before. Too bad - you cannot wish away history.

So @MaKales, Am justified to ask the reason all this happened. That it was unplanned that all kiuks who lost everything in kisumu, who could not access there houses in most parts of nairobi since it was believed that they are not supposed to own them were justified to sit down and see their sweat go down the drain. the families they were supporting back to their homes could just sit down and say whatever they went to do their was their own choice. All must be accountable. Those who started this should be on the dock too not just to handpick a few guys and then try to make us believe that there is healing coming. This Ocampo guy is polarizing the country even more
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Lucid_Iam
#34 Posted : Friday, January 27, 2012 9:48:42 AM
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The question to ask is, what would have happened if the purported financing and organization of mungiki did not happen. Would there been retaliatory attacks in Naivasha and Nakuru. I think the answer is yes. Kikuyu naturally like any other identity of people may have gone into defense mode. Buying pangas individually does not need million of shillings and we all know no guns we involved otherwise today Kenya would have been a different story.
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#35 Posted : Friday, January 27, 2012 9:52:08 AM
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Impunity wrote:
So UK's residence is also called Statehouse?d'oh!


Yes Uhuru's residence is in the State House area actually a few metres from The White House. Unlike in the US where it would be obvious if someone said White House, it is not so clear why Uhuru would be chairing a meeting in The State House.

BBI will solve it :)
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madammary
#36 Posted : Friday, January 27, 2012 10:19:17 AM
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Politicians are a load of crap the world over. It's time we started seeing them for who they are-idiots. Also i don't like the jungu's, they have a role in the PEV. They dispossessed the Kikuyu of the white highlands and relocated them to the vast rift valley. Then some politician(s) waxed lyrical about the kikuyus being IDP's courtesy of the jungu's and should soon go back to where they belong. The kalenjins buy this and a supposedly rigged election serves as an excuse to right a wrong that was done a long time ago. There has always been resentment against kikuyus amongst the kalenjin.
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mdudu
#37 Posted : Friday, January 27, 2012 10:40:09 AM
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madammary wrote:
Politicians are a load of crap the world over. It's time we started seeing them for who they are-idiots. Also i don't like the jungu's, they have a role in the PEV. They dispossessed the Kikuyu of the white highlands and relocated them to the vast rift valley. Then some politician(s) waxed lyrical about the kikuyus being IDP's courtesy of the jungu's and should soon go back to where they belong. The kalenjins buy this and a supposedly rigged election serves as an excuse to right a wrong that was done a long time ago. There has always been resentment against kikuyus amongst the kalenjin.

once ruto and uhuru have completely blocked raila from the presidency in 2012 and 2017 then what next?
the issue that brought the extreme bloodletting against the kikuyus in the rift valley has not yet been solved. the allegedly rigged elections in 2007 was a perfect excuse for them to carry out what they have wished fora long time. and it was not the first time(1992,1997) and if issue is not solved(don't know how)it will not be the last time.
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Mo
#38 Posted : Friday, January 27, 2012 11:05:19 AM
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the soap opera continues....why don't we just relax and watch the balance of the case instead of playing judge, prosecutor and defense counsel here?...i know you have a right to express yourselves so please don't remind me!
Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.
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Pierce
#39 Posted : Friday, January 27, 2012 11:27:29 AM
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Lucid_Iam wrote:
The question to ask is, what would have happened if the purported financing and organization of mungiki did not happen. Would there been retaliatory attacks in Naivasha and Nakuru. I think the answer is yes. Kikuyu naturally like any other identity of people may have gone into defense mode. Buying pangas individually does not need million of shillings and we all know no guns we involved otherwise today Kenya would have been a different story.


I am not and have never been for violence, but the question begs, what were Kikuyus supposed to do. Sit back and watch as they are being wiped off the face of the earth??

I remember vividly as police were escorting Kikuyus at night from their homes because Kikuyus had been attacked and their houses torched.

1992,1997,2007........when do these killings stop??

Muwachane na Uhuru.
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mukoya
#40 Posted : Friday, January 27, 2012 12:02:07 PM
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until we right the wrong that is land we are still stuck in the same rut tell me how much land does kibaki or say uhuru own between them? there lies ur answer!
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