@Masukuma....I totally agree with you, the ICC has taken care of what happened in Nakuru, Naivasha and Eldoret but who will prosecute the criminals who organized and killed innocent Kenyans in Mombasa, Kibera, Kariobangi North, Mathare and other areas. These people are not innocent, now that the Judiciary is working don't you think its about time we had another look at the Waki List???

TRUTH, JUSTICE AND RECONCILIATION.....and here we are still struggling with the truth!

@Drunkard more incisive your posts these days

@limanika, pay heed to @Drunkard's arguments. What's more, a woeful reminiscing of Kenya's Darkest Hour by Hillary Ng'weno actually brings into doubt when the war started.

1. Could it be when the ugly loathing between politicians first festered? Or when the government denigrated the previous hard won right to representative election framework? Or perhaps when campaigning became tribal and violence was conceived?
2. Maybe when you and me propagated insults, fear, malice against our brothers through email/SMS
3. Some would say it's when election results delayed, or when the first stone was thrown, or when retaliation occured.


Revenge buries the future in the grave of the past. Leonid

I am a scared Kenyan. Recent arguments and counter-arguments on Wazua remind me of the heated 'discussions' on Stockskenya circa 2007. I hope history won't repeat itself come 2013.

Please, I beg us to remember that Ruto, Raila, Kenyatta. . .the whole lot of the political class would want us to believe that they do what they do for YOUR good as a Kalenjin, Luo, Kikuyu. . . We often forget that they have one common goal that unites them all and that goal is not necessarily your well-being. Their goal is to obtain and maintain POWER to protect THEIR financial and social interests. But I stand to be corrected. I personally believe that you and I are just pawns in this intricate game called politics. Most of these guys are multi-millionaires (in USD) with thousands of acres of land and flourishing business interests. When was the last time you heard any of them offering up land to the thousands that are homeless? Food and shelter for the starving Kenyans? How many have actually made any meaningful and sustainable contributions to their own communities out of their own personal initiatives? What does any political party in Kenya currently stand for? Or do they only "stand for" what politician X says? Which parties can be considered liberal or conservative? Or does a 'conservative' party denote a party that only has membership from one community while a 'liberal' party draws membership from MPESA agents' records?

By all means, let us participate in the political process but let us do that soberly. At the end of the day, we'll only have two distinctions; the have's and the have-nots. . .no tribe. Many are keen to condemn Ocampo and the ICC, but what alternative have we offered as a vehicle for justice to the thousands victims of injustice? Here's a quick quiz; how many perpetrators of grand corruption have been brought to book in Kenya? Nevertheless, we are quick to shout 'Neo-colonialism' at the top of our voices yet we've allowed ourselves to be 'governed' by foreigners. We passed a constitution that assimilates International Laws and Treaties into our justice system, yet we are quick to fault the ICC process. I guess we're only human, we want to have our cake and eat it too.

@Lolest,
I am not justifying voilence in either side, lets stick to the legal facts, you do not need a legal training to understand that revange attack is hard to defend, you can call it reactionary if it had happen right during the initial attack i.e two people standing next to each other one wearing a t-shirt written Kikuyu and the other written Kalenjin and the news flash that Kalenjins are killing kikuyus and the Kikuyu one instantly Kill the Kalenjin one thats is reactionary! But it didn't happen like that, it happen a few day later so it is hard to call it reactionary/ self defence.

On the other side of the argument, even though most Kalenjins will tell you that the violence were spontenious and there was no planning, this line of argument become void once people are tranferred from point A to point B and the violence stretch beyond a few hours. While you can win the argument that the violence were spontenous and as a result of mismanaged election, what kept the violence lasting for that long was some form of organization and co-ordation.

I am a Kalenjin, I am from Eldoret and I know that violence started sponteniously, but I will take Ocampo side because as much as you can defend spontenious argument, no one can explain what kept the violence going for close to a week and no one can explain how people in large number could identify Kikuyus and no one can explain how people travel from one side of town to the other without using the word communicate/ message/ signs, these words indicate some structures.

in law, every one has right to life. And no one has the right to deny another the right to life, unless, it is done in self defence.

Lawyers, interpret that