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Alfylavie
#21 Posted : Monday, January 23, 2012 2:11:27 PM
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Ocampo6 - Ocampo2 = Ocampo4

That can only happen in a movie!!!!
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GGK
#22 Posted : Monday, January 23, 2012 2:15:41 PM
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Alfylavie wrote:
Ocampo6 - Ocampo2 = Ocampo4

That can only happen in a movie!!!!


Do you need a movie to tell 6-2=4?
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#23 Posted : Monday, January 23, 2012 2:17:51 PM
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It's Ocampo 4

Just wondering if we will get used to that..as ICC court dismisses charges against Ali & Kosgey and confirms Uhuru, Ruto, Sang & Muthaura..
....above all, to stand.
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#24 Posted : Monday, January 23, 2012 2:22:45 PM
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ICC rules on confirmation of Kenya cases

Judges at the International Criminal Court are currently reading their verdict on whether to confirm two cases arising from Kenya's post election violence.

ICC JUDGES: Kosgey and Ali not suspects any more, but prosecutor may present additional evidence against them seeking confirmation of charges.
ICC: HUSSEIN ALI charges not confirmed due to insufficient evidence. Cases against Uhuru Kenyatta and Francis Muthaura confirmed.
HENRY KOSGEY charges not confirmed after ICC judges find evidence did not meet threshold. Cases against William Ruto and Joshua Sang confirmed.
ICC JUDGES announce they have confirmed charges against four Kenyan suspects, to be named shortly. Judge Hans-Peter Kaul dissented.
Follow the live proceedings here: www.nation.co.ke/ICCLive

http://www.nation.co.ke/...4/-/yx4xk8z/-/index.html
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Dudette
#25 Posted : Monday, January 23, 2012 2:28:13 PM
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Those starting with H. Hague, Hussein, Henry were dropped. That was the logic behind confirming or not confirming. Someone in Kenya is pulling the strings out there.
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Dudette
#26 Posted : Monday, January 23, 2012 2:34:28 PM
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When will the cases begin. If within the next few weeks, we will watch as Kanu finally starts killing itself. Kibaki and Raila will eventually be roped in and the rest will be history.
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#27 Posted : Monday, January 23, 2012 2:35:48 PM
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73 Guests? Of the state?
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#28 Posted : Monday, January 23, 2012 2:38:21 PM
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What happens next?
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muganda
#29 Posted : Monday, January 23, 2012 2:39:42 PM
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Mr. Sang - contributor
Mr. Ruto - indirect co-perpetrator
Mr. Muthaura - indirect co-perpetrator
Mr. Kenyatta - indirect co-perpetrator


Judge Kaul appended a dissenting opinion in both cases. He maintains that the ICC is not competent because the crimes committed on the territory of the Republic of Kenya during the post‐election violence of 2007‐2008 in his view were serious common crimes under Kenyan criminal law, but not crimes against humanity as codified in Article 7 of the Rome Statute.

The Chamber would like to emphasise, for the purposes of clarity,
that the presumption of innocence remains fully intact. Furthermore, the decisions issued today by this Chamber do not affect the liberty of the accused, which remains undisturbed.


Presentation for 23 January 2012 in Case 1 and Case 2: http://www.icc-cpi.int/iccdocs/...esentationKenyaCases.pdf
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#30 Posted : Monday, January 23, 2012 2:41:26 PM
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They are no longer Ocampo4. They are now Bensauda4.
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#31 Posted : Monday, January 23, 2012 2:49:39 PM
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Ms Mkenya wrote:
It's Ocampo 4

Just wondering if we will get used to that..as ICC court dismisses charges against Ali & Kosgey and confirms Uhuru, Ruto, Sang & Muthaura..



it will always be Ocampo 6

so is ocampo bringing more to the table? the two shouldnt be let off so easy

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#32 Posted : Monday, January 23, 2012 2:51:25 PM
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Not a lawyer, but the 2 Not Confirmed never challenged the Jurisdiction of the ICC cOurt to here the case. In fact if I can recall, HA's lawyer actually mentioned this to Ekaterina. Could have infulenced?
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#33 Posted : Monday, January 23, 2012 2:53:48 PM
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Manyala wrote:
Not a lawyer, but the 2 Not Confirmed never challenged the Jurisdiction of the ICC cOurt to here the case. In fact if I can recall, HA's lawyer actually mentioned this to Ekaterina. Could have infulenced?


Judge Kaul appended a dissenting opinion in both cases. He maintains that the ICC is not competent. It means he is the only one who does not practice 'Animal Farm' policy.

Which means ICC is a slaughterhouse controlled by the west for African leaders who fail to tow the line. It is not about justice.
By inference, the man is all that Mr Phantom is not: an untrustworthy radical, divisive, too many enemies, a dictator, and a persistent liar...
Gaitho dialogues.
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Kihangeri
#34 Posted : Monday, January 23, 2012 3:00:30 PM
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The mistake Uhuru and Ruto made was to pray to a Jungu God. He cannot listen to them as Jungus have control of him. They should have gone to their local Witchdoctors or diviners.
By inference, the man is all that Mr Phantom is not: an untrustworthy radical, divisive, too many enemies, a dictator, and a persistent liar...
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#35 Posted : Monday, January 23, 2012 3:04:38 PM
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someone pointed out that there are 2 lessons to learn from the ICC Court Desk:
1.Once in shit always shut your mouth and fight your way out of the shit.
2. Blame game, is not good game
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#36 Posted : Monday, January 23, 2012 3:20:50 PM
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McReggae
#37 Posted : Monday, January 23, 2012 3:29:02 PM
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Kibaki to address the nation shortly!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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#38 Posted : Monday, January 23, 2012 3:34:17 PM
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jamplu wrote:
someone pointed out that there are 2 lessons to learn from the ICC Court Desk:
1.Once in shit always shut your mouth and fight your way out of the shit.

Then why was Muthaura case confirmed?

I want to read the ruling so that I can get how Muthaura's case was confirmed while Ali's was rejected yet their cases were closely interlinked!!

Finally I get to see the political play by the ICC.

Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
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McReggae
#39 Posted : Monday, January 23, 2012 3:39:01 PM
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Monday January 23, 2012 3:15
He added:" I am firmly in the (Presidential) race and to my worthy competitors let us meet at the ballot and let the will of Kenyans prevail."

Monday January 23, 2012 3:13
"These allegations are and will forever be strange to me. I have been and will forever be a stranger to the allegations against me. My legal team is going to analyse the different actions we will take as a team," said Mr Ruto.

Monday January 23, 2012 3:13
William Ruto has just held a press conference at his Karen residence, where he insists on his innocence and said his legal team will be looking at their options.

..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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#40 Posted : Monday, January 23, 2012 3:48:51 PM
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Can #Murugi deal with that small issue she had promised to do if #UKenyatta is confirmed?
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
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