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KENYA-worlds 9th least prosperous.
mlennyma
#1 Posted : Thursday, January 19, 2012 10:40:26 AM
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If you hate somebody,dont hit him from all sides,now a london based research institute ranks us next to zimbabwe.i find it disastrous because this reports circulate the whole world.are we just that or some pple want to pull us down?the euro zone is bleeding but the forcus is on africa and we are quoted as one of the worlds worst performing economy.
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Cde Monomotapa
#2 Posted : Thursday, January 19, 2012 10:50:53 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
If you hate somebody,dont hit him from all sides,now a london based research institute ranks us next to zimbabwe.i find it disastrous because this reports circulate the whole world.are we just that or some pple want to pull us down?the euro zone is bleeding but the forcus is on africa and we are quoted as one of the worlds worst performing economy.

What metrics were used to arrive at this? In terms of rates of GDP growth, Zim did 9.2% in 2011 using the USD as its functional currency. Thus, Zim is amongst the fastest growing economies of SSA post-2009. Zim has a lot more potential than Kenya by a far-cry and I say that as a Kenyan with interests there. Sub-Saharan Africa is where to invest now globally for the next decade or two and that is happening whether they like it or not!! Afrika Oyee!!
hisah
#3 Posted : Thursday, January 19, 2012 11:00:43 AM
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@mlenny - the intension of such reports is to turn away attention from here. That is how big money works to get in using undervaluation using hyped risks as the weapon. Once tbey've established the game, then the rosy reports cone out. Then the common join the game ready for the bubble burst.

So take such negative or bearish reports as a very positive sign smile
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Cde Monomotapa
#4 Posted : Thursday, January 19, 2012 11:05:04 AM
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hisah wrote:
@mlenny - the intension of such reports is to turn away attention from here. That is how big money works to get in using undervaluation using hyped risks as the weapon. Once tbey've established the game, then the rosy reports cone out. Then the common join the game ready for the bubble burst.

So take such negative or bearish reports as a very positive sign smile

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly better be right. Nkt! These seditious reports about "SSA re-loaded" really annoy me!
Etwani
#5 Posted : Thursday, January 19, 2012 11:53:24 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
If you hate somebody,dont hit him from all sides,..............are we just that or some pple want to pull us down?



A London based research company hates Kenya so much that it publishes opinions of Kenyan citizens who in their own opinion rank Kenya the 9th least prosperous nation in a sample of 110. Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you
Thiong'o
#6 Posted : Thursday, January 19, 2012 1:30:57 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
hisah wrote:
@mlenny - the intension of such reports is to turn away attention from here. That is how big money works to get in using undervaluation using hyped risks as the weapon. Once tbey've established the game, then the rosy reports cone out. Then the common join the game ready for the bubble burst.

So take such negative or bearish reports as a very positive sign smile

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly better be right. Nkt! These seditious reports about "SSA re-loaded" really annoy me!


Using negative publicity as a lever to escalate the bear run and get in Sad ….. and turn it the other way.Shame on you

Business is about taking risk, risk takers hope for the best outcomes. So guys if the fundamentals are right and strong –why worry, soon the markets turn, the world is not coming to an end now; it’s almost tomorrow in Australia.
Funny that everyone believes in this negative publicity, these guys have nothing to lose whether they get in or not and yet they always try to control our options/choices and we become the puppets.

Remember Law 31 –The laws of power

Control the options: Get others to play with the cards you deal.

The best deceptions are the ones that seem to give the other person a choice. Your victims feel they are in control, but are actually your puppets. Give people options that come out in your favor whichever one they chose. Force them to make choices between the lesser of the two evils, both of which serve your purpose. Put them on the horns of your dilemma; they are gored wherever they turn.
Cde Monomotapa
#7 Posted : Thursday, January 19, 2012 1:37:44 PM
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Thiong'o wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
hisah wrote:
@mlenny - the intension of such reports is to turn away attention from here. That is how big money works to get in using undervaluation using hyped risks as the weapon. Once tbey've established the game, then the rosy reports cone out. Then the common join the game ready for the bubble burst.

So take such negative or bearish reports as a very positive sign smile

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly better be right. Nkt! These seditious reports about "SSA re-loaded" really annoy me!


Using negative publicity as a lever to escalate the bear run and get in Sad ….. and turn it the other way.Shame on you

Business is about taking risk, risk takers hope for the best outcomes. So guys if the fundamentals are right and strong –why worry, soon the markets turn, the world is not coming to an end now; it’s almost tomorrow in Australia.
Funny that everyone believes in this negative publicity, these guys have nothing to lose whether they get in or not and yet they always try to control our options/choices and we become the puppets.

Remember Law 31 –The laws of power

Control the options: Get others to play with the cards you deal.

The best deceptions are the ones that seem to give the other person a choice. Your victims feel they are in control, but are actually your puppets. Give people options that come out in your favor whichever one they chose. Force them to make choices between the lesser of the two evils, both of which serve your purpose. Put them on the horns of your dilemma; they are gored wherever they turn.

Real talk...
Drunkard
#8 Posted : Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:11:36 PM
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The problem with Kenyans is that we're so defensive, we defend anything that rate us low instead of looking deep in ourselve and finding way to change, when someone come up with such rating, most of the time if not all the time is based on subjective facts that have been model to some metrics. As a matter of facts, the fact that some research firm actually included Kenya into that list is a good sign, there are so many forgotten countries that no one care to rate them. And like I said, it is based on subjective facts, what we should be caring about is how to change that subjective facts to our favor, we need to look at what we're projecting out there that could suggest to someone else that we're not good enough.

The thinking that someone could just intentionally rate us low do not in anyway match with the reality, no one get anything for rating anyone low, infact the reality is the opposite there is a benefit in rating something high than rating low. Also note that when you're rated low it doesn't mean you're low, it means you're persived to be low. So whoever wrote the research persive kenya to be low, unfortunately the person probably have earn the credibility to be believed by probably alot of investors. Changing that perception is important.
mwekez@ji
#9 Posted : Friday, January 20, 2012 8:54:28 AM
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Drunkard wrote:
The problem with Kenyans is that we're so defensive, we defend anything that rate us low instead of looking deep in ourselve and finding way to change, when someone come up with such rating, most of the time if not all the time is based on subjective facts that have been model to some metrics. As a matter of facts, the fact that some research firm actually included Kenya into that list is a good sign, there are so many forgotten countries that no one care to rate them. And like I said, it is based on subjective facts, what we should be caring about is how to change that subjective facts to our favor, we need to look at what we're projecting out there that could suggest to someone else that we're not good enough.

The thinking that someone could just intentionally rate us low do not in anyway match with the reality, no one get anything for rating anyone low, infact the reality is the opposite there is a benefit in rating something high than rating low. Also note that when you're rated low it doesn't mean you're low, it means you're persived to be low. So whoever wrote the research persive kenya to be low, unfortunately the person probably have earn the credibility to be believed by probably alot of investors. Changing that perception is important.


ditto
2012
#10 Posted : Friday, January 20, 2012 12:21:29 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
If you hate somebody,dont hit him from all sides,now a london based research institute ranks us next to zimbabwe.i find it disastrous because this reports circulate the whole world.are we just that or some pple want to pull us down?the euro zone is bleeding but the forcus is on africa and we are quoted as one of the worlds worst performing economy.


Kenya is a sleeping giant and I think London is too afraid others might just find out. If you want to know just how strategic and lucrative Kenya is, ask China, India and Israel.

BBI will solve it
:)
mlennyma
#11 Posted : Friday, January 20, 2012 12:40:42 PM
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The optimism expressed here convinces me that we are just victims of mistaken identity.
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Realtreaty
#12 Posted : Friday, January 20, 2012 5:34:50 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
If you hate somebody,dont hit him from all sides,now a london based research institute ranks us next to zimbabwe.i find it disastrous because this reports circulate the whole world.are we just that or some pple want to pull us down?the euro zone is bleeding but the forcus is on africa and we are quoted as one of the worlds worst performing economy.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Mind you Europe is in crisis because Africa no-longer listen to them of think about them. With their post colonial minds they will write non-ethical studies as Africa shift to do business with the East and South american. We are really hitting them under the belt and their economies are shrinking with their population seeking employment in Africa and Asia especially middle east. When did you last buy an item labbelled made in Europe or America? If you want to kill a biting dog, just starve it to death!Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Applause Next their Mornarchs will be down. Jamaica is becoming a republic soon. Very soon that "Commonwealth" thread will break. What Africa leaders need do is use rule of law and stop wars.
sparkly
#13 Posted : Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:07:40 AM
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Hahahaha i laugh at such nosense reports. Prosperity is when you are developing and growing.Prosperity is not when you are stagnant or contracting.

prosperity is when my grandparents were forced labourers on a colonial farm, but now i work for pay in a foreign country.

prosperity is when my parents didn't go to school but i went to university.

Prosperity is where the EAC will have a monetary union in 10 years where the only other union took decades.

prosperity to me is not if i have blackberry, an Ipad, range rover in my parking and a mortgage.
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GGK
#14 Posted : Saturday, January 21, 2012 9:46:36 AM
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IMHO, I think we should look at metrics used in the ratings before we condem the research as heresy.
To me, what matters more is whether we are making progress year on year on. Are we better than we were 10yrs ago?
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Cde Monomotapa
#15 Posted : Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:05:43 AM
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And people, please, please let us talk positively about our country, our continent wherever & with whoever. We are making great strides in SSA especially economically. Be an ambassador of Good news Africa!!
Jamani
#16 Posted : Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:32:13 PM
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GGK wrote:
IMHO, I think we should look at metrics used in the ratings before we condem the research as heresy.
To me, what matters more is whether we are making progress year on year on. Are we better than we were 10yrs ago?


Nice approach, i also think we should learn from criticism, whether positive or negative and from that put measures in place to ensure that we are where we want to be.... but rubbishing pointers without understanding doesnt help... just because we have expanded a few roads around doesnt mean we are doing better... our potential is far much more.....we should learn to listen and take positive measures only then shall we achieve above average and see vision 2030 come to pass....
Cde Monomotapa
#17 Posted : Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:39:57 PM
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Jamani wrote:
GGK wrote:
IMHO, I think we should look at metrics used in the ratings before we condem the research as heresy.
To me, what matters more is whether we are making progress year on year on. Are we better than we were 10yrs ago?


Nice approach, i also think we should learn from criticism, whether positive or negative and from that put measures in place to ensure that we are where we want to be.... but rubbishing pointers without understanding doesnt help... just because we have expanded a few roads around doesnt mean we are doing better... our potential is far much more.....we should learn to listen and take positive measures only then shall we achieve above average and see vision 2030 come to pass....

That's ok and we have to also agree anybody undermining our +ve efforts be reprimanded on the spot!! Otw, Africans will always THINK themselves poor & hopeless...in perpetual NEED of help from elsewhere. That is a position I personally hold very strongly!
Jamani
#18 Posted : Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:58:23 PM
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@Cde M* well well, the best reprimand is facts, counter the undermining with facts and no one will come up with negative news on you, if he has a name to keep... i have an issue with the thinking that we are poor and hopeless..... the day majority of africans stop thinking in this line thats the day that we shall move to the next level... poverty is all in the mind no where else... we have to think beyond it and not be afraid to... we will not develop by reprimanding negative thinkers but by thinking and thinking alone shall make us develop and desire to develop..... look at the federal state of dubai one Sheikh Makhtoum had to think today the capital Adu-dhabi and the whole gulf is following his footsteps... do not be afraid to.....
GenghisCapitalLtd
#19 Posted : Monday, January 23, 2012 10:34:33 AM

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Jamani wrote:
@Cde M* well well, the best reprimand is facts, counter the undermining with facts and no one will come up with negative news on you, if he has a name to keep... i have an issue with the thinking that we are poor and hopeless..... the day majority of africans stop thinking in this line thats the day that we shall move to the next level... poverty is all in the mind no where else... we have to think beyond it and not be afraid to... we will not develop by reprimanding negative thinkers but by thinking and thinking alone shall make us develop and desire to develop..... look at the federal state of dubai one Sheikh Makhtoum had to think today the capital Adu-dhabi and the whole gulf is following his footsteps... do not be afraid to.....

Applause Applause Bravo Jamani!!! it's all in our mind set which we need to change ASAP!!
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