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Mocality pulls Google's pants down!
masukuma
#1 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 1:42:27 PM
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google nabbed with their finger in the cookie jar

http://blog.mocality.co....what-were-you-thinking/

quite a diffrent company from the company that cried foul about the same from M$
http://www.wordstream.co...pgjys-bing-copies-google
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selah
#2 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 2:45:03 PM
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given the slow response to this post I will assume like me Wazuans were unable to read the all blog or its difficult to understand where the problem is,I mean Google just contacted Mocality listings on the Net by using a sophisticated technology to access the database.

Either this is unethical but not illegal or Mocality is just threatened ,actually I dont understand what the fuss is all about.
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#3 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 2:58:26 PM
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Then why are these mocality guys just whining instead of going to court? I would kill to have this happen to my company and sue for a few million $. IT'S GOOGLE!!! This is what dreams are made of!!!

BBI will solve it
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jguru
#4 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 3:00:21 PM
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selah wrote:
given the slow response to this post I will assume like me Wazuans were unable to read the all blog or its difficult to understand where the problem is,I mean Google just contacted Mocality listings on the Net by using a sophisticated technology to access the database.

Either this is unethical but not illegal or Mocality is just threatened ,actually I dont understand what the fuss is all about.


Google (Google Kenya and eventually Google India) then went ahead to make calls to Mocality-listed companies and claimed that Google were in a partnership with Mocality to provide websites to these companies. Google accessed business information that belonged to Mocality and proceeded to "want to profit" from the information. Read the transcripts of the phone conversations.
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masukuma
#5 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 3:03:55 PM
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has anyone read the transcripts or listened to the recordings?
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selah
#6 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 3:04:07 PM
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2012 wrote:
Then why are these mocality guys just whining instead of going to court? I would kill to have this happen to my company and sue for a few million $. IT'S GOOGLE!!! This is what dreams are made of!!!


They dont seem to see this as an opportunity suing the company would be free marketing for them not forgetting the cash that would come with winning the suit.
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#7 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 3:04:26 PM
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@masukuma, that is unbelievable. Kudos to Mocality for a thorough investigations! I believe Mocality have a case here. Google has grossly misrepresented them in their fake calls to business owners!

This leaves me with a distaste!

@selah, did you read the entire article!? You would have understood why the fuss!
masukuma
#8 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 3:13:21 PM
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selah wrote:
2012 wrote:
Then why are these mocality guys just whining instead of going to court? I would kill to have this happen to my company and sue for a few million $. IT'S GOOGLE!!! This is what dreams are made of!!!


They dont seem to see this as an opportunity suing the company would be free marketing for them not forgetting the cash that would come with winning the suit.


this will earn Mocality quite a bit of airtime in the court of public opinion yet it does not rule out the eventuality of taking google to a court of law and possibly get some big guns (M$) to fund its war chest.
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#9 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 3:32:09 PM
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I have noted that Google Kenya outsources most of its services. This is a case of an outsourced provider trying to increase sales by misrepresenting the contractor!
masukuma
#10 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 3:42:51 PM
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tech crunch and boing boing are running with it
http://techcrunch.com/20...ining-a-kenyan-startup/

http://boingboing.net/?p=138807
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#11 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 4:22:58 PM
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The bit about calling the customers and offering them deals cannot hold in court. But claiming to work with Mocality as partners Shame on you Shame on you
The phrase 'wilfully misled' comes to mind. It is meant to cause harm and should be an offense (if it isn't already). They should file, see if Google will offer a juicy settlement smile
It would be interesting if the people at Mocality were asked to submit evidence in the ongoing anti-trust cases against Google.
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#12 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 5:25:17 PM
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Why are corporates so insensitive to cultural naunces? I just dont understand how someone[with all due respect]can call me from india, heavy accent barrier notwitstanding, to request data on buidling my bizna at riveroli a website. BBK have also outsourced to india and card queries were being dealt with from there. Trouble you need all the patience to catch the lahaja from gujarati!! Any time i would rather deal with a local Omieri !
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alma
#13 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 6:10:03 PM
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I will go to nirvana the day Google dies. I hate Mocality but if they can finish Google with this story, then that is what I want to hear.

This is serious news. Google likes banning SEO's for scraping content. Now they have been found scraping content and doing it like amateurs. Then they have used that data to misrepresent another company.

This story is going viral with most SEO's and it is bigger than the election date right now.

The Mocality CEO is very clever. Milk the story on their blog, let it go viral and someone will come a calling.

The death of Google is the beginning of the internet.
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#14 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 6:40:20 PM
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Mocality pulls Google's pants down!

Such is the way of this world. The biggest, nastiest, stealthiest threat to your success is ... no, guess again... Yourself! you are your own worst enemy.

So Mocality claims, having invested/paid KShs 11m to the public who assisted them in listing 170,000 Kenyan businesses in their online directory:

1. Google comes up with Getting Kenyan Businesses Online

2. But decides to take a Kenyan shortcut by hiring a group of trolls to go through Mocality Directory

3. And then proceed to call each business one by one, offering to create a website

4. And to make the pitch even more convincing to each business user:
- they claim Google is working or has approval from Mocality
- they malign Mocality just a little bit, as dishonest
- with nary a word to Mocality


But Stefan Magdalinski, Mocality CEO is a wily adversary. He tracks, plots, records, and captures evidence which is now on a blog link:
Google what where you thinking?

Everyone at Google Kenya is scrambling! There motto/ethos DON'T BE EVIL has been revised to DON'T BE EVIL ALWAYS



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#15 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 6:53:43 PM
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Just got the tweet with the link.

http://t.co/THhd06RG

Shocking. Think about it, the police services in the US rely on google maps; with IDEOS, they know everywhere you are - even with the SIM card removed. We should be very afraid, someone should cut them to size before they take over the world.
Jangwa la Jangili
#16 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 8:13:56 PM
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American companies simply buy off bad PR. Google will watch to see if this thing will burn out. If Mocality move it to the next level i.e. the courts, they will be offered loose change from Google's profits which is more cash than they can ever dream of. Case quickly closed and joins hundreds of similar statistics.
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#17 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 10:32:24 PM
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Jangwa la Jangili wrote:
American companies simply buy off bad PR. Google will watch to see if this thing will burn out. If Mocality move it to the next level i.e. the courts, they will be offered loose change from Google's profits which is more cash than they can ever dream of. Case quickly closed and joins hundreds of similar statistics.

That is what they would do if they were a ka-small company owned by Wanjiku, but the thing is, Mocality is owned by a 14 billion dollar company called Naspers smile
hisah
#18 Posted : Saturday, January 14, 2012 12:02:04 AM
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David vs Goliath stories. Me like such heroic stories. Seems KE guys are getting tech savvy smile Reminds me of that facebook KE hacker. Hmmm...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#19 Posted : Saturday, January 14, 2012 12:48:31 AM
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Wow! The story is now on Business Insider... This is indeed a PR disaster for Google...

http://www.businessinsider.com/google-kenya-2012-1
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Jangwa la Jangili
#20 Posted : Saturday, January 14, 2012 7:44:05 AM
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I stand informed. Still Google has more than enough cash to easily settle out of court. A small infraction in global business terms where any settlement is more likely in the tens. For reputation, they will sacrifice some managers+staff then make a PR announcement highlighting changes in internal processes.

This incident has hundreds of similar precedents in corporate America some of which never make the news. And long term, Naspers/Mocality needs Google more than Google needs them.


KenyanLyrics wrote:
Jangwa la Jangili wrote:
American companies simply buy off bad PR. Google will watch to see if this thing will burn out. If Mocality move it to the next level i.e. the courts, they will be offered loose change from Google's profits which is more cash than they can ever dream of. Case quickly closed and joins hundreds of similar statistics.

That is what they would do if they were a ka-small company owned by Wanjiku, but the thing is, Mocality is owned by a 14 billion dollar company called Naspers smile

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