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Mutahi Ngunyi:Why is Columnist Spreading These Myths and Half-Truths?
vinii
#41 Posted : Wednesday, July 14, 2010 10:35:56 PM
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@ Kadonye

I just saw the last 10 minutes of the Bench, am waiting for 10 o'clock to watch the complete interview.. he has some interesting argument about probable transition problems in 2012 - that Raila will be in charge when Kibaki's term expires. I think he is supporting his argument with the sixth schedule of the Draft Constitution and the National Accord. Does this make sense? Can a lawyer out there shade some light? Jeff says that after the removal of Mutahi's column from Sunday Nation, then the paper is not worth buying anymore!! no ! no! hapana Jeff, hata wewe kumbe ni bure !!!
If you are an eagle don't hang around with chickens; chickens don't fly....
willin2learn
#42 Posted : Thursday, July 15, 2010 11:18:02 AM
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In 2003 when Mutahi Ngunyi warned of an impending violent election of 2007 he was dismissed as a joker, airhead and reckless journalist see here [http://eyesonkenya.org/blog/?p=37[/u] . The same thing is happen today. I chose to believe him.
Fundaah
#43 Posted : Thursday, July 15, 2010 11:34:43 AM
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I am again asking....what will be the situation in Kenya if we dilly dally and go for the next elections with the current bad constitution since we all agree that the proposed constitution is better than the current one?.....
One thing for sure is that we cant go to another referendum before June 2011....there may be no money to take us through the process again if we are to start again.....Moi said mtazungushwa....and I think he is working so hard to prove himself .....there is no other time we will be this close to a new constitution.....mark this words .....
Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
Fundaah
#44 Posted : Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:05:22 PM
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Im not the author ...but I share the same sentiments ...

TUANGUSHE, TUREKEBISHE KISHA TUPITISHE.

This is the new catch phrase from the NO team, they want to defeat the draft constitution, repair and then pass. What they are not telling their followers is the following;
What legal phamework are they going to use to repair an already rejected draft? The constitutional review act has no provision for a rejected draft but only amending an already passed draft.
What budgetary allocations and logistics do they have in place for a new round of collecting and collating views from all over Kenya, hire experts to carry out the writing of a new draft, print and disserminate that draft, conduct countrywide civic education on that new draft etc, all these by December 2010?
How realistic is this going to be? To achieve all these in just 4 months after August 2010?
These are liers,and lies are not hard to see through. If someone is genuine, they would tell you to achieve all these, you need atleast another 3-5 years at the very least. So the earliest any new KATIBA can be achieved after August 2010, supposing we fail this one, is in 2017 because as soon as we hit next year, none of these politicians will be bothering about KATIBA, they will be getting ready for a new electioneering period in 2012. Given most of them are likely to have a hard time going back to Parliament, they will start early campaigns and will have no time for KATIBA matters. Who then will lose in this process, the gullible, easy to fool Kenyan who shall have listened to them.

They will then have a go at raising their salaries at will because they shall have killed the daft that would have put a stop to that.
They will continue non performing and absentism in Parliament because there will be no recall clause.
They will continue enjoying ill gotten wealth as you get over taxed to pay their fat salaries.
The MPs telling you to defeat this draft are very smart as they know they want to maintain the status quo. Then we will be back at cursing, whinning and crying as we carry the burden of the nation and helpless to do anything. The draft KATIBA gives us the opportunity to fix the system and make it work. It is our chance to fix things without having to plead with Parliament to do so for us, most cases which they don't anyway. Only the easiest to fool can buy this nonsense of TUANGUSHE, TUREKEBISHE KISHA TUPITISHE.

If we do this, we will soon be mourning and gnashing our teeth as taxes kill us to pay MPs to become super paid richest in the world, as it is, they are among the best paid MPs, higher than almost all well developed country leaders!!!

See through the lies, don't be fooled!!!!
Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
Jaina
#45 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 2:03:07 PM
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Today Mutahi Ngunyi will prove his doubters wrong. One of his hypothesis and Game theory column has been proved right by High Court.

Njoki Ndung'u, who ironically now sits in the Supreme Court should be embarassed at her strong criticism of the columnist.

But maybe,...just maybe there is more to come.

Ngunyi: http://www.nation.co.ke/...8/-/c0pajl/-/index.html

Ndungu: http://www.nation.co.ke/...6/-/vywp9a/-/index.html
arapsonkot
#46 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 2:13:09 PM
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This guy know a lot of stuff. could be because he used to be kibaki's adviser?
Sent from my iPad" is the new "Haters gonna hate".
SAC Cohen
#47 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 2:24:37 PM
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Jaina wrote:
Today Mutahi Ngunyi will prove his doubters wrong. One of his hypothesis and Game theory column has been proved right by High Court.

Njoki Ndung'u, who ironically now sits in the Supreme Court should be embarassed at her strong criticism of the columnist.

But maybe,...just maybe there is more to come.

Ngunyi: http://www.nation.co.ke/...8/-/c0pajl/-/index.html

Ndungu: http://www.nation.co.ke/...6/-/vywp9a/-/index.html


A SITTING SUPREME COURT JUDGE says the presidential election cannot be beyond Dec 2012...
McReggae
#48 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 2:26:31 PM
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We now blowing over the rooftop!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
simonkabz
#49 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 3:24:37 PM
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Kenya now rerembles a headless chicken thanks to bad politics coupled with activism. Without a doubt, kenyans are drunk with politics and the activists are now busy pickpocketing the hapless drunks. In my assessment, baks will still be in office by June 2013 thanks to an uncertain election date, a guaranteed tribalized runoff, and another 20-30 days handover period. I just wish I could just hibernate till 2014.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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#50 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 3:31:44 PM
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this constitution created a Legal fLAMEwork. I over heard Omutata "Omunyololo" lamenting on how this constitution is focused on redistributing the cake but not in making the cake larger. it was a typical Leftist constitution...Rights, Rights, Rights...no Responsibility, Responsibility, Responsibility (except for government) its like money comes from thin air.
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McReggae
#51 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 3:34:50 PM
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simonkabz wrote:
Kenya now rerembles a headless chicken thanks to bad politics coupled with activism. Without a doubt, kenyans are drunk with politics and the activists are now busy pickpocketing the hapless drunks. In my assessment, baks will still be in office by June 2013 thanks to an uncertain election date, a guaranteed tribalized runoff, and a 90 day(clarification needed) handover period. I just wish I could just hibernate till 2014.


...hehehe that is a new one!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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#52 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 3:48:54 PM
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Jaina wrote:
Today Mutahi Ngunyi will prove his doubters wrong. One of his hypothesis and Game theory column has been proved right by High Court.

Njoki Ndung'u, who ironically now sits in the Supreme Court should be embarassed at her strong criticism of the columnist.

But maybe,...just maybe there is more to come.

Ngunyi: http://www.nation.co.ke/...8/-/c0pajl/-/index.html

Ndungu: http://www.nation.co.ke/...6/-/vywp9a/-/index.html



apparently,nation have already removed Mutahi's article. There must be a nation insider in wazua
"You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it". Malcolm X
simonkabz
#53 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 3:58:57 PM
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I actually meant 30 days. The clause containing the declaration of the presidential results and the swearing in of the orezzo-elect iko na rusungu mingi sana.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Jaina
#54 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 4:05:46 PM
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Mutahi's Article was available at least until 2hrs ago. It seems even Nation is embrassed by what they did, or maybe they still have some beef with mutahi.

Whoever is a Nation Mole in Wazua,...... thats irresponsible.

Hard Copies are still available.
McReggae
#55 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 4:15:41 PM
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Jaina wrote:
Mutahi's Article was available at least until 2hrs ago. It seems even Nation is embrassed by what they did, or maybe they still have some beef with mutahi.

Whoever is a Nation Mole in Wazua,...... thats irresponsible.

Hard Copies are still available.


I actually read the same article less than 2hrs ago, that is irresponsible!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
limanika
#56 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 4:50:15 PM
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The articles are still available online. Just re-read them both
'user'
#57 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 4:54:07 PM
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http://www.nation.co.ke/...8/-/c0pajl/-/index.html


Just in case they delete it :

Are we headed for ‘civilian coup’ with draft law?


President Kibaki’s “Yes” is not the same as Mr Odinga’s “Yes”. And the difference is unclear. What we must record, however, is this: One of them is more “No” than “Yes”. But we do not know which one. We must record another thing. All along, Mr Odinga supported a Parliamentary system.



But Mr Odinga abandoned this idea. And when he embraced the pure presidential system, he threw everyone off. The question, therefore, is this: Did he go underground? Or maybe it is the president who went underground. Once we figure this out, we will understand our present darkness including the ‘‘Sunday grenade’’. And my hypothesis is this: In their ‘‘unity’’, the war has gone underground. Now it is our responsibility to uncover it.

To do so, we must use a simple technique in Game Theory. We must take the draft constitution, play it forward first. Then ask; if it passes, who is the winner, who is the loser? From the answers, we must play it backwards. Here we must ask the question: Today, how are the winners behaving? And how are the losers behaving? Today I will ‘‘play it forward’’ and leave you to ‘‘play it backward’’. I will do it by playing out two scenarios.

One, chapter 9 of the draft favours the president and his coalition. If there are 14 million voters, ‘‘KKK’’ has close to 8 million. To the contrary, ODM’s assured vote is about 4 million. While the ‘‘KKK’’ vote meets the 50-plus-one per cent rule, the ODM one stands at 30 per cent.

The Senate is also dominated by KKK. The first 11 Senators, or 23 pc, will be from the Nation of Islam as per the First Schedule. Close to half will be from KKK. Between the two principals, therefore, who stands to gain from the 8 million votes and a dominant presence in the Senate? President Kibaki, of course. Is he in ‘‘Yes’’ because of this? I have no idea.

What about the Prime Minister; our man of the future? If the draft disadvantages him, why is he in the “Yes” camp? Consider my second scenario based on Game Theory. Here is my reading of the Sixth Schedule of the draft. Articles 3, 9 and 10 of this schedule make an election in 2012 impossible. Article 10 allows Parliament to finish its ‘‘unexpired term’’ but does not tell us how Parliament will be dissolved.

And this is because Article 3 removes Section 59 of the current constitution. This is the section that tells us how to dissolve Parliament. Because the President will not dissolve Parliament, it must dissolve five years from when it first sat on January 16, 2008. And this translates to January 15, 2013. From this date, Article 9 and 3 require us to hold an election in 60 days. Arithmetically, this takes us to March 17, 2013 as the earliest date of the next election. But there is a bigger problem.

Article 3 does not suspend the provisions that define the President’s term. In other words, President Kibaki’s term will expire on December 29, 2012 as per Section 9(1) of the current constitution. And if this happens, we will have to wait for close to three months for a presidential election to happen on March 15, 2013. In sum, we will have no president, constitutionally, for three months. Let us aggravate the situation further.

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Strictly speaking, the draft does not allow Parliament to extend to January 15, 2013. In fact, it gives it five years from August 20 this year. The draft allows Parliament to finish its ‘‘unexpired term’’. However, the legal instrument that defines this ‘‘unexpired term’’ is Section 59(4) of the current constitution. This section is thrown out. In law, therefore, there is no way to define the ‘‘unexpired term’’ in the absence of Section 59(4).

No competent court will refer to this section after August 20 on account of Article 264. If this is true, the term of Parliament will only be defined through Articles 101 and 102 of the draft constitution. And, going by this, the next election will have to happen on the second Tuesday of August 2015.

Because we cannot have a presidential election until Parliament is dissolved as per Article 9(1) of the Sixth Schedule, this means that we will stay from December 2012 to August 2015 without a constitutionally elected president. But this should not be a problem anyway. The Peace Accord is retained and enhanced by the Sixth Schedule. There will be no power vacuum.

Whether we stay for three months or three years without a constitutionally elected President, the alternative principal, Mr Odinga, will assume executive power through a ‘‘civilian coup’’. Now the question to the public is this: If one of the principals is more “No” than “Yes”, who is it?

I invite you to ponder the question with a man from the State of Chu in mind. The man was as passionate about war as we are about politics. One day, he was crossing a river using a boat. But his sword fell into the waters. With speed, he made a mark on the boat. The mark was made where his sword had fallen. This would help him trace the sword once the boat docked at shore.

When the boat stopped, he jumped into the water at the place where he had marked the boat to look for his sword. Unfortunately, the boat had moved on, but the sword had not. I submit that we dropped something in the 2008 crisis. We did not stop to ‘‘collect’’ it. Now we hope the draft constitution will do it. Like the man from Chu, we are deluded. Our hope is that when the constitutional ‘‘boat’’ stops on August 20, we will collect our possessions. This will not happen. On this, and my interpretation of the Sixth Schedule, I could be wrong.

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2012 is here.Kenya is Ours.Be Part of The Peace Keeping Mission To Protect Our Motherland.Say No To Violence and Tribal Hatred .If you can read this,wewe ni mtu amesoma, usifikirie kama mtu hajaenda shule .Ni Hayo Tu
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#58 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 5:01:29 PM
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simonkabz wrote:
Kenya now rerembles a headless chicken thanks to bad politics coupled with activism. Without a doubt, kenyans are drunk with politics and the activists are now busy pickpocketing the hapless drunks. In my assessment, baks will still be in office by June 2013 thanks to an uncertain election date, a guaranteed tribalized runoff, and another 20-30 days handover period. I just wish I could just hibernate till 2014.


FFWD June 2013 and we'll be digging up wazua looking for this post!!!
Fundaah
#59 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 5:03:18 PM
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Despite the election date circus ...... I'm still convinced that we have the best constitution in the world....as soon as we come over the election date teething problem ...and we have a new set of leadership and devolved government .... you will clearly thank yourself for passing this constitution.....
Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
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#60 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 9:08:25 PM
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willin2learn wrote:
In 2003 when Mutahi Ngunyi warned of an impending violent election of 2007 he was dismissed as a joker, airhead and reckless journalist see here http://eyesonkenya.org/blog/?p=37 . The same thing is happen today. I chose to believe him.


Mutahi in 2003 wrote:
The prediction
Consider a hypothetical situation here. What would happen if President Kibaki decided to run for re-election in 2007 and lost? Would he and his men have the grace to hand over power peacefully? From the way they have behaved in the last one year, I doubt it. And where would that leave the country? At the risk of sounding crazy, I want to suggest the following: If we thought that Mr. Moi would plunge the country into civil strife, he proved us wrong. Narc is the party to plunge the country into civil strife. You just have to listen to the FM stations and the call-in television programmes to see a pattern. From the name of the caller, you can almost predict what they will say and what side of the divide they will take. In a disputed election, such polarity would certainly take ugly proportions.

Thanks for digging out this piece...
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