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Treasury Bills Investing-Procedure?
QW25081985
#16 Posted : Monday, December 19, 2011 10:41:33 AM
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hisah wrote:
Eric_Nyamu wrote:
trizher wrote:
me&myself wrote:
@ maili valu....

The T-bill rate is 14.8% per annum and not per 91days...


which means for 91 days its 14.8/4 = 3.7%....minus tax.


wooooooW 91 day is now at 18% !!!!! thats 6% per month in a bear market way better than fixed deposit a/c

18% pa cannot be 6% pm. Aje sasa... And of course it pays better than fixed deposit. Treasury will continue being a better payer than banks for some time until the takataka siringi is completely creamed off the system.


lol. didnt know it p.a but still high though i agree
VituVingiSana
#17 Posted : Monday, December 19, 2011 11:30:53 AM
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Eric_Nyamu wrote:
trizher wrote:
me&myself wrote:
@ maili valu....

The T-bill rate is 14.8% per annum and not per 91days...


which means for 91 days its 14.8/4 = 3.7%....minus tax.


wooooooW 91 day is now at 18% !!!!! thats 6% per month in a bear market way better than fixed deposit a/c

Mr. QW aka buy-sell-sell-buy should ask folks before payukaring his ignorance here... Hope he makes Resolutions to improve himself in 2012. And follows through.
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For Sport
#18 Posted : Thursday, January 05, 2012 9:57:07 PM
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91 day T/Bill now at 20 %
hisah
#19 Posted : Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:34:27 PM
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For Sport wrote:
91 day T/Bill now at 20 %

And I hope you are not still taking notes smile
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Nabwire
#20 Posted : Thursday, January 05, 2012 11:37:30 PM
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So if its at 20% PA, is this a fixed rate or is there a possibillity that when you rollover, the rate may have been adjusted downwards to say 13%??? Im pretty sure these rates fluctuate meaning you will be a net loser when the rates eventually adjust downwards. It just doesnt make sense to me to tie your money in a Tbill and lament when the stock market turns around and you have to buy stocks at a higher price coz you were all tied up. But to each her own.
hisah
#21 Posted : Thursday, January 05, 2012 11:50:12 PM
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Nabwire wrote:
So if its at 20% PA, is this a fixed rate or is there a possibillity that when you rollover, the rate may have been adjusted downwards to say 13%??? Im pretty sure these rates fluctuate meaning you will be a net loser when the rates eventually adjust downwards. It just doesnt make sense to me to tie your money in a Tbill and lament when the stock market turns around and you have to buy stocks at a higher price coz you were all tied up. But to each her own.

This is why you have 91, 182 & 364 day tbill flavors. Since I dont trust the current treasury guys, I've been in 91 day bill until further notice...
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Nabwire
#22 Posted : Friday, January 06, 2012 12:04:06 AM
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Still doesnt make sense, in order to enjoy the 20% interest you have to rollover, so say you got into the 91 then the market starts ticking up, do you cash out?? You will have gotten just 5%!! And by the way can you cash out say at the second month or you have to stay put till the 91 days are up? This kind of investing would only make sense at the beginning of a bear/ depression not towards the end.
Nabwire
#23 Posted : Friday, January 06, 2012 12:07:11 AM
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Plus Tbills dont give dividends!! The only way I would get into them is if I had a tonne of cash and we were in the beginning of a recession/ depression. But then again, the stock prices would be so awesome that I would still prefer stocks.
hisah
#24 Posted : Friday, January 06, 2012 12:46:00 AM
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@Nabwire - It depends with your investment ideology. Last yr my equity exit trigger was if the USDKES struck 90. Once that happened, I got off the market & went to tbills. Yes, the returns are not as rosy as equities, but my preference is capital preservation. I'm also not into buy & hold, but more of a trader thus capital gains appeals to me than dividends. As you state, one can be left by the bus during recovery, but that's a calculated risk. On 182 & 364 day bills, it gets tricky since the bull could have gained some distance.
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Nabwire
#25 Posted : Friday, January 06, 2012 1:39:12 AM
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OK I see, I forgot you are a trader.
For Sport
#26 Posted : Friday, January 06, 2012 10:06:54 AM
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hisah wrote:
Nabwire wrote:
So if its at 20% PA, is this a fixed rate or is there a possibillity that when you rollover, the rate may have been adjusted downwards to say 13%??? Im pretty sure these rates fluctuate meaning you will be a net loser when the rates eventually adjust downwards. It just doesnt make sense to me to tie your money in a Tbill and lament when the stock market turns around and you have to buy stocks at a higher price coz you were all tied up. But to each her own.

This is why you have 91, 182 & 364 day tbill flavors. Since I dont trust the current treasury guys, I've been in 91 day bill until further notice...

Exactly where I am.
And I staggered my T/Bills too - Didnt tie all my cash in one T/Bill. I have different ones maturing at different times to prevent all of it being tied up for 91 days.
@ Nabwire...there's been a thread running here on how to tell when the stock market has bottomed - a bit like reading tea leaves - no one can tell when. When the interest rates on government securities begin to fall, I'll look to see how the stock market is behaving.
For Sport
#27 Posted : Friday, January 06, 2012 10:08:33 AM
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hisah wrote:
For Sport wrote:
91 day T/Bill now at 20 %

And I hope you are not still taking notes smile

Not to worry, I'm a very quick study..smile smile
selah
#28 Posted : Friday, January 06, 2012 10:39:57 AM
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Nabwire wrote:
Still doesnt make sense, in order to enjoy the 20% interest you have to rollover, so say you got into the 91 then the market starts ticking up, do you cash out?? You will have gotten just 5%!! And by the way can you cash out say at the second month or you have to stay put till the 91 days are up? This kind of investing would only make sense at the beginning of a bear/ depression not towards the end.


I think you are either unfamiliar with T/bills or you are just trying to scare pple out so that you can gain from them alone...which risk free investment currently can give you 20% return P.a hustle free.

The T/bills are discounted hence you get your cash upfront then wait for your face value cash.

I am going to buy 182 day T/bill with the minimum amount (100k) which means at a price of 90 per 100 am going to pocket around 9k upfront and wait for my 100k in 6 month..this is sweet...although I think the upcoming issues will be more delicious...but for now am plunging in.

you can actually recall you T/bill b4 the maturity date but CBK will penalize you for that.
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For Sport
#29 Posted : Friday, January 06, 2012 11:44:39 AM
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Cde Monomotapa
#30 Posted : Friday, January 06, 2012 12:15:27 PM
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As inflation eases so will the t.bill rates as dividend yields compound by a further 20%
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