Gross(before tax)

before tax for me

.....the gaament should tithe the part they tax!!!!

God simply wants you to give back 10% of what you get from him. Don't go complicating matters by asking whether it is before or after tax, before or after expenses (for business people) etc.

you know what you get from God, don't you? Then work out a tenth and give back. It's really that simple.

If you don't know how much God gives you, then you are either an ignorant idiot, or you have absolutely no intention of giving back...that's why you are asking for formulas!

Remember, God loves the cheerful giver... not the one who is looking for a mathematical formula that will ensure he/she gives no more and no less.

...kilicho chake. But I do not see any mention of the tithe in the new testament. The NT encourages Christians to give CHEERFULLY not out of compulsion.

Perhaps it's given the wrong name, but it still remains vitally important in modern society.

Imagine this: the official government goes berserk and as a result people start killing each other and displacing one another from homes. Who cares for the victims?

Churches among other bodies. Where do the churches get finds from to offer this much needed help? Tithes from their congregations.

And even when we haven't gone mad; we still see churches doing a lot of good in society. You doubt it? Go to Kijabe Mission Hospital and see for yourself.

Hmm, interesting way to think about it...

Anyway, I personally find organized religion too rigid, granted that what constitutes right and wrong is fairly obvious to most people. To me, service to man is service to God. However, if you are a christian believer who fellowships at a given church, I think you're obliged to donate some of your money to help run it. How you relate that with what the bible has to say about tithing and/or offering depends on how you consume the good book as a whole. Some people take everything literally, word for word. Others attempt to contextualize. Most do both to varying degrees. I simply attempt to be a fair, honest and productive human being!

I do not dispute that churches do a lot of good.
So do some NGO's and many anonymous individuals.

What iam saying is, it is not biblical for any church or pastor to demand a tenth of anyone's income.

....and sometimes I throw rounds to those who are in need of frothy waters from Ruaraka but have (without expecting anything in return)...for me this is part of my tithing!!!!

Boss if you don't tithe, the bible says you are "cursed with a curse" and for the one that asked whether it is relevant in the new testament, do you only read the new testament in the bible?? wacha mchezo!!