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The Transcentury rip-off
Sure
#1 Posted : Wednesday, January 04, 2012 1:52:42 PM
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For the year ending 2010, after making a profit of 458 million, TCL paid a dividend of 20 cents to shareholders.

How much do you expect the company to pay for the year ending 2011 if their 2011 half yr results were 54 million only?

What is the most appropriate market price for the share?

http://www.transcentury.co.ke/investors
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When interest on bonds keep going up, you know the bear run is on high street. When interest on bonds start leveling, the bear has met the bull and they have hit rock bottom. When the interest rates on bonds start coming down, the bull has overpowered the bear and you better be riding the bull.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:12:30 PM
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[quote=Sure]For the year ending 2010, after making a profit of 458 million, TCL paid a dividend of 20 cents to shareholders.

How much do you expect the company to pay for the year ending 2011 if their 2011 half yr results were 54 million only?

What is the most appropriate market price for the share?

http://www.transcentury.co.ke/investors[/quote]

And the 20cts was equivalent to 53m. Don't expect any dividend here. Btw do you think they blundered enlisting in the main mkt the way they did?
I think they did because it gave a bad impression of the initial investors trying to bail out and make a kill at the same time.

BBI will solve it
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jerry
#3 Posted : Wednesday, January 04, 2012 3:07:48 PM
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"What is the most appropriate price for the share?" No answer! It's normally what the buyer wants to pay for the share, and how much the seller is willing to take.
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youcan'tstopusnow
#4 Posted : Wednesday, January 04, 2012 3:44:32 PM
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And don't forget the Britank rip-off. If only short-selling was...
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, January 04, 2012 5:55:56 PM
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A company owned by the elites who have been screwing Kenya since independence...cant touch with a loong pole.
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Scubidu
#6 Posted : Thursday, January 05, 2012 8:50:51 AM
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The only problem with this group (TCL & EAC) is cashflows. They have no cashcow in the group that can be used to pay dividend. They'll have to borrow money to pay the dividend; it's easy to do this with a faithful financier. Who are their bankers?
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Sure
#7 Posted : Thursday, January 05, 2012 8:54:21 AM
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Scubidu wrote:
The only problem with this group (TCL & EAC) is cashflows. They have no cashcow in the group that can be used to pay dividend. They'll have to borrow money to pay the dividend; it's easy to do this with a faithful financier. Who are their bankers?


Hah! Borrow money to pay dividends? That happens only in Olympia.
Wisdom to detect when share prices hit rock bottom.
When interest on bonds keep going up, you know the bear run is on high street. When interest on bonds start leveling, the bear has met the bull and they have hit rock bottom. When the interest rates on bonds start coming down, the bull has overpowered the bear and you better be riding the bull.
liomungai
#8 Posted : Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:08:48 PM
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Sure wrote:
Scubidu wrote:
The only problem with this group (TCL & EAC) is cashflows. They have no cashcow in the group that can be used to pay dividend. They'll have to borrow money to pay the dividend; it's easy to do this with a faithful financier. Who are their bankers?


Hah! Borrow money to pay dividends? That happens only in Olympia.

d'oh! when did olympia borrow to pay dividends... it is the most undervalued stock with a very high NBV : Price
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#9 Posted : Thursday, January 05, 2012 3:33:22 PM
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@Sure - You'll find this to be interesting.

http://www.bloggingstock...w-to-pay-dividends-now/

And another recent case.

http://www.bloomberg.com...dividends-wsj-says.html
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Sure
#10 Posted : Friday, January 06, 2012 8:52:34 AM
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The Wall Street Journal reports (subscription required) on a disturbing trend taking place in board rooms across America: Public companies are borrowing money to pay dividends to shareholders.

Companies say that they're doing it to take advantage of low interest rates, but here's what's so dumb about that: The low-interest rate environment makes dividends less valuable too because the cash can't be invested at a high rate of return. Worse, these companies are needlessly amplifying risk: The bankruptcy courts are littered with the corpses of companies that paid dividends instead of paying down debt, and the result was that shareholders, workers, and creditors were wiped out completely in the name of a short-term increase in yields.

Need another reason that bond offerings to support dividends are a bad idea? There are tremendous frictional costs. The act of selling bonds to pay cash to shareholders costs millions in investment banking and administrative investments -- and the paper-shuffling act distracts management from finding ways to actually create value.

Borrowing money to pay dividends to shareholders is a high-risk proposition without any meaningful upside -- kind of like jumping in front of a steam roller to pick up a penny (or a Lehman Bros. stock certificate -- or Enron, or Circuit City, or any of the other infinite number of companies that plunged into bankruptcy after taking on excessive debt to buy back stock or pay dividends).

Anyone taking a loan to pay dividends is simply an idiot, shenzi type variety and should not be in a quoted company. Actually, CMA should police on this.
Wisdom to detect when share prices hit rock bottom.
When interest on bonds keep going up, you know the bear run is on high street. When interest on bonds start leveling, the bear has met the bull and they have hit rock bottom. When the interest rates on bonds start coming down, the bull has overpowered the bear and you better be riding the bull.
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