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Kenya’s lost moment and the arrival of the Chinese company
bwenyenye
#31 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 3:30:29 PM
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I still think we were not ready for a change in how we did business. If we had taken the way you recommend, we would be not more than a quarter way of where we are now. We needed the infrastructure done as a matter of urgency after the M01 debacle. The amount of business opportunities created have had a much bigger impact then the savings lost had we set up our own companies. As for the mid size contractors, only about 5% of Kenyan roads are tarmacked so there is still alot of room to grow with simpler project. The jokers we had in this industry did not even buy equipment but oped to 'share' despite all the billions they got.

That said, your idea is splendid, but the last 7 years were not its time. Maybe the next 10 years.
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'user'
#32 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:07:19 PM
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we've just lost 1.2billion to our local contractors after they repaired a roof of milimani courts. soon after the roof could not start aerials on top of them.nkt to nk mwaniki bros nkt to local contractors.thumbs up to chinese contractors
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'user'
#33 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:08:49 PM
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we've just lost 1.2billion to our local contractors after they repaired a roof of milimani courts. soon after the roof could not start aerials on top of them.nkt to nk mwaniki bros nkt to local contractors.thumbs up to chinese contractors
2012 is here.Kenya is Ours.Be Part of The Peace Keeping Mission To Protect Our Motherland.Say No To Violence and Tribal Hatred .If you can read this,wewe ni mtu amesoma, usifikirie kama mtu hajaenda shule .Ni Hayo Tu
eboomerang
#34 Posted : Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:43:51 AM
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'user' wrote:
we've just lost 1.2billion to our local contractors after they repaired a roof of milimani courts. soon after the roof could not start aerials on top of them.nkt to nk mwaniki bros nkt to local contractors.thumbs up to chinese contractors

As painful as it is, we need to consider that there are some Kenyans out there who are capable of doing a decent job, let's not loose hope yet.

I know the guy below is an architect but just to demonstrate that some people out there are able and willing to do it if only they are accorded the necessary support.

http://architecturekenya.com/2010/08/03/kenyan-architect-builds-big-dreams-in-botswana-2/

http://www.tecturainternational.com/index.html#

eboomerang
#35 Posted : Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:45:50 AM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
eboomerang wrote:


The best we can do for our youth is to create a "kazi kwa vijana" program and offer them slashers and rakes to cut grass a long the the roads.

Remember that this is an entire government's initiative to combat youth unemployment. If that is not upumbavu, I don't know what is.

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eboomerang, your site is missing a "contact the author" area. Are you on Twitter? Would love to hear/read more of your insights...

Good point, I will add some contact information.

I'm not on twitter at the moment, perhaps I should consider that at some point. I'm not sure what i'd be tweeting about smile

simonkabz
#36 Posted : Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:57:42 AM
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eboomerang wrote:
limanika wrote:
Very true, I agree 100%. It is for the same reason we may not achieve vision 2030. Take the southern bypass for example. This will cost 17b and it will be very hard for any notable part of the money to find its way in the Kenyan economy. The Chinese, once they win a contract, do not rent anyone’s house. They build camps with site offices and accommodation so they never leave this facility even on weekends – no spending on entertainment. All the cement will come from China. Most of the workers save for drivers and masons will come from China. In the final analysis, a huge portion of the 17b will find its way back to china and then you and I are left servicing the loan to the last cent.....

Excellent!!! that is what we are trying to say.

The best we can do for our youth is to create a "kazi kwa vijana" program and offer them slashers and rakes to cut grass a long the the roads.

Remember that this is an entire government's initiative to combat youth unemployment. If that is not upumbavu, I don't know what is.

@eboom bang on! That KKV thing is the most absurd thing I have heard this decade. Its simply ridiculous to even abuse the innocent Swahili language that much!
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kenyamoja
#37 Posted : Wednesday, December 07, 2011 4:08:54 AM
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Great article brother. I would like to say that while I agree with your argument, I beg to differ on one point. This is how i see it...... The Chinese are not that great. There are competent and capable Kenyans , who love Kenya but have chose to stay away. Why, we may ask? because the system is broken. The chinese are able to build these magnificent structures simply because they have created a system that promotes these sort of achievements, and not because they possess an innate quality we don't. The problem in kenya is so wide spread that it will take an exceptional leader to bring meaningful change.
I say that we need to look at the chinese for the public-private partnership based system they have created and not for their expertise.I am sad that I am living in a lifetime that Africa is being colonized again and you wonder, don't we ever learn? the Kenyan policy makers are at heart of the problem. And so are the leaders and their ilk.How could they not see the chinese agenda? carrotts and sticks.
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eboomerang
#38 Posted : Friday, December 09, 2011 3:36:19 PM
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Sadly, its seems that the birds are now coming home to roost.

Workers are taking industrial action left, right and center including very critical areas such as health care and education.

We have continually raised the red flag indicating that the development path our government is pursuing is not sustainable and infact it is at the expense of the citizens.

One article that appeared on the Daily Nation(Stop pay rises to curb inflation, firms advise) is a clear indication of the results of unsustainable growth.

To quote a part of the article....
"We need to generate more income for the country for inflation to come down and the shilling to drop to between Sh80 and Sh85 to the dollar for the economy to start to grow,” the chairman of the Kenya Private Sector Alliance, Mr Patrick Obath, said".

In my view, this is exactly what the government failed to do in the beginning; establish a national economic activity that will generate revenue for the government before embarking on heavy loan driven investments.

It is in this line of thought that I faulted the vision2030 thing on my blog.

How else can we help really?
tonicasert
#39 Posted : Monday, December 19, 2011 9:35:41 AM
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Nice way of thinking, and agree we should all be heading in that direction.

Problem is, in all deals there's no "free lunch". For Kenyan contractors, some hands have to fed in the name of corruption, while for the Chinese contractors, they have bigger things at stake such as resources (which I beleive are in the fine print of the agreements)
butterflyke
#40 Posted : Friday, January 06, 2012 9:02:15 AM
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Just read that the planned Isiolo resort will be developed by Japanese Port Consultants, the same company that was awarded a contract to develop a terminal at Lamu port.

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