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Thika Road Expansion was a Mistake
Cde Monomotapa
#121 Posted : Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:50:25 PM
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Impunity wrote:
Alphie_O'makalwala wrote:
How I wish something could be done quickly on The Uhuru Highway, Outering Road and Southern Bypass. The full benefit of Thika Road would be realized. Am sure the CBD is not the final destination of all those coming from Thika. It reminds me of taking 3.5hrs driving from Kisumu to Westlands and then 1.5hrs from Westlands to Imara Daima due to the Jam.


Were you driving a Buggati-Veyron or something close to that, and you must have been driving between midnight and 3am and Kenya must have been under a state of emergency!
Again the road must have been very straight with no corners at all.d'oh!

@impunity..i'm also very baffled baffled.so Naks-Nbi is now 15mins?
digitek1
#122 Posted : Wednesday, November 30, 2011 10:07:40 PM
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@impunity.. sotik..narok. .escarpment
I may be wrong..but then I could be right
kennie
#123 Posted : Thursday, December 01, 2011 6:53:36 AM
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As much as we agree to disagree or agree to agree i think we have to eventually look at three things


Shelf Life:
As a people we seem not to give shelf life any thought. When we personally build even our own homes, we build expecting homes to last forever forgetting that development and technology is an on going process and what looks and feels lovely today will be outdated tomorrow. 40 years ago a one storey building in Nairobi was maendeleo. Today that building should have been replaced yesterday with something that maximizies both down 3/4 storey parking garage and up 10/15 storey office space.

Sustainability:
Whatever mass projects are undertaken by the government there seems not to be a a plan on how the project should/will sustain itself. Hence just as the slums of Kibera, no matter how much resources you pump into that slum it will never sustain itself. In a nutshell the Kenyan govt resembles Kibera slum loans, loans, loans. Eventually something has to give. As a people we become enslaved to the giver.

Beyond 2012
Today there is only one government after 2012 and beyond there will be 1 plus 47 other governements. 10yrs from now whichever town will have the privilege of been the capital city of the county, the town will have the same issues we are facing in Nairobi.

Taking into account there was no development to show for 10 yrs ago v/s today, agreeing to disagree or agreeing to agree as a people, we miss the point.

Today the road ni maendelo tomorrow it might be outdated, what remains to be seen is whether we will allow development and techonology pass us by come tomorrow.

mkonomtupu
#124 Posted : Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:02:40 AM
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Have a look at Nairobi in 1960-1962 on the link below and you realize we got independence too early it was properly planned, double-decker buses, a bus station where kencom now stands, Amazing stuff

http://www.mccrow.org.uk...stafrica/Kenya/Kenya.htm
jaggernaut
#125 Posted : Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:59:17 AM
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[quote=mkonomtupu]Have a look at Nairobi in 1960-1962 on the link below and you realize we got independence too early it was properly planned, double-decker buses, a bus station where kencom now stands, Amazing stuff

http://www.mccrow.org.uk...tafrica/Kenya/Kenya.htm[/quote]

Interesting photos of Nairobi of the 60s. Looks very organised. Seems the city has deteriorated with time.

Am amazed by this photo .....that people were actually sailing in the Nairobi dam (next to Kibera) at one time.


eboomerang
#126 Posted : Thursday, December 01, 2011 12:19:04 PM
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kennie wrote:
.....

Sustainability:
Whatever mass projects are undertaken by the government there seems not to be a a plan on how the project should/will sustain itself. Hence just as the slums of Kibera, no matter how much resources you pump into that slum it will never sustain itself. In a nutshell the Kenyan govt resembles Kibera slum loans, loans, loans. Eventually something has to give. As a people we become enslaved to the giver.
......

You nailed it!! For some reason this sort of thinking eludes an entire government.
Djinn
#127 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 1:30:10 PM
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@Mukiha I concur- I recall writing about the Langata Road expansion back in the day and while researching the likely outcome, stumbled across the Braess Paradox - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braess's_paradox - which really makes sense when you see what is happening on Langata Road today - both at Nyayo Stadium and also up at Bomas. Someone compared it to buying bigger trousers to cure obesity...SMH. Anyway, just to relate another example - having been to Lagos many times, they too have super highways but traffic is ALWAYS INVARIABLY crawling (excuse the the tautology but trying to emphasise). They have an 8 lane bridge thats abt 25km long - that was built in the 80s. The kind of road networks we seek from Museum, Pangani, etc and thika road - they have had such for a long time and probably 100 times more complex...but traffic still crawls. Essentially grid locks build up much faster than before. I think the other major problem is people's general driving IQ, attitude (i.e. must drive, must own a car) and lack of courtesy - I;d say that is about 70% of our problem.
eboomerang
#128 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 2:36:24 PM
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Djinn wrote:
@Mukiha I concur- I recall writing about the Langata Road expansion back in the day and while researching the likely outcome, stumbled across the Braess Paradox - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braess's_paradox - which really makes sense when you see what is happening on Langata Road today - both at Nyayo Stadium and also up at Bomas. Someone compared it to buying bigger trousers to cure obesity...SMH. Anyway, just to relate another example - having been to Lagos many times, they too have super highways but traffic is ALWAYS INVARIABLY crawling (excuse the the tautology but trying to emphasise). They have an 8 lane bridge thats abt 25km long - that was built in the 80s. The kind of road networks we seek from Museum, Pangani, etc and thika road - they have had such for a long time and probably 100 times more complex...but traffic still crawls. Essentially grid locks build up much faster than before. I think the other major problem is people's general driving IQ, attitude (i.e. must drive, must own a car) and lack of courtesy - I;d say that is about 70% of our problem.

Interesting.

One wonders why the relevant government officials would not go there to study why despite having massive roads, Lagos/Nigeria has not been able to solve the traffic issues.
tuvok
#129 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 2:39:34 PM
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Djinn wrote:
@Mukiha I concur- I recall writing about the Langata Road expansion back in the day and while researching the likely outcome, stumbled across the Braess Paradox - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braess's_paradox - which really makes sense when you see what is happening on Langata Road today - both at Nyayo Stadium and also up at Bomas. Someone compared it to buying bigger trousers to cure obesity...SMH. Anyway, just to relate another example - having been to Lagos many times, they too have super highways but traffic is ALWAYS INVARIABLY crawling (excuse the the tautology but trying to emphasise). They have an 8 lane bridge thats abt 25km long - that was built in the 80s. The kind of road networks we seek from Museum, Pangani, etc and thika road - they have had such for a long time and probably 100 times more complex...but traffic still crawls. Essentially grid locks build up much faster than before. I think the other major problem is people's general driving IQ, attitude (i.e. must drive, must own a car) and lack of courtesy - I;d say that is about 70% of our problem.


+1 Lagos is a mess and the traffic jams there dwarf ours in KE.

Again more people walk or use traffic transport than drive, yet focus when it comes to transport is always on how big/long our roads are.
simonkabz
#130 Posted : Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:11:38 AM
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I think we should just stop these road projects and build more driving schools to enhance our IQ so as to end the gridlocks, nay, build more churches and seek devine intervention. Infact, we must urgently sanction the govt to stop the projects with immediate effect!
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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